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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by ryanlol »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120
viraptor wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cheaper than a gaming PC They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. > Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc. You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

The real question is “how much is an equivalent game PC” because consoles do not perform anywhere near the level of half-decent game PCs.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Consoles are on their last run in my opinion.

Valve has improved the Steam experience for Steamdeck, along with the Proton compatibility layer. Then they added "Great on Steamdeck" that will encourage devs to aim for better controller support.

Now there are rumours Valve is working on a new "console".

Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherword a fully capable PC with desktop performance + the console user experience (or almost there) there is strictly no reason to buy a Sony/Nintendo console anymore.... especially since SEGA, Sony & al are porting more and more games to PC.

I think we are all in a better place if those platforms converge, and Sony/Nintendo just focus on making great games. But it doesn't matter anyway, since if Valve can release an actually good "console" experience, with builtin Steam store... Nintendo and Sony have nothing more to offer bar a few exclusives.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by 48tdsic7 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I feel dirty having closed source games installed on my main machine, god forbid Windows. There is sooo much stuff going on in games these days, I don't want that attack surface/system intrusion where I keep my things.

For 300€ I got a computer (PS4 Pro) dedicated to nothing else but gaming. And that's mostly just because I can help it, crave Skyrim and Fallout 4 once or twice a year, anyway.

A worthy PC would cost me at least 800€. Right now, I'd say it's even impossible, because of the graphics card situation and APUs don't match the consoles.

While games can look better on PC, you would also pay another PS4 in electricity costs to run a fancy system, over here.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by cyxxon »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

The target group for consoles is people who for one thing want the thing to just work, and not have to fiddle with Windows update, drivers for their hardware, maintain Steam/EGS/UPlay/Origin/Gog/itch.io/Humble, and also not pay ridonculous prices for the latest RTX3080 or whatever is the graphics card these days. And this piece of hardware IS also cheaper than the equivalent PC (except right now with the chip shortage where the PS5 is pretty overpriced)... add some exclusives to the mix, and customers buy this.

The fact that a game might be 69.- instead of 59.- on release and for a much longer time without sales on this platform is then suddenly not so important anymore.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by GhettoComputers »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120
viraptor wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cheaper than a gaming PC They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. > Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc. You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

Depends what matters to you. Do you care a lot for graphics? I can run nearly every game I care about on a laptop, since I care about gameplay like older emulator, indie games such as into the breach don't need good graphics, AoE II and SC are way more fun than ray traced shooters to me. For a cheap PC a 3400G APU can play GTA5 pretty well, and emulate PS3 games, nothing high spec just a CPU+GPU combo chip for $150 that will play older games, not lock games by console, and run PC software. Lots of great free games on PC like cave story exist too, not to mention the granular settings to games that don't exist on console, free mods to make games like Skyrim keep it modern, the existance of mods for games like Fallout or GTA5 make console games less full featured and unappealing unless you want to be locked to whatever they think is best for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0p5fbW5odY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxPtHuyPJo If you want the latest AAA games, consoles are cheaper unfront costs, more expensive in the long run, and you have less freedom to run cool stuff on the games.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by user-the-name »

melff wrote: post #104
user-the-name wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Game availability - lots of good games are not available on PC and will never be. 2. Hardware convenience - just a box you put next to your TV that works from the second you take it out of the packaging. 3. Software convenience - no need to deal with a million compatibility issues, buggy drivers, and all the problems that come with Windows and gaming hardware.

I disagree with #1. I never had issues finding great games for Windoze.

I did not say you can not find a great game for Windows. I said that some great games will never be available for Windows.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #45
bellyfullofbac wrote: post #39

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I'm sure customs officers around the world have never seen this trick before...

Oh, I'm sure they see it every single day, but nobody cares. They're actually less likely to hassle you if you write a low value on the package - can literally shave a week+ off of delivery times.

I think you generalize too much... do you know how every customs office work?

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by jrootabega »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #128
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I plop down on my couch, pick up the controller, and it just works. Whereas on PC I have to go upstairs, usually switch out my work cables and keyboard/mouse, power up the thing, then fire up my game. Definitely less comfortable than the console experience, but on the other hand, there's games that just don't work on consoles (strategy, text-heavy games, etc). At the moment I play Sekiro on the console and FFXIV on t…

That's the possibility and the goal, but it seems that actually fulfilling it is not a very high priority these days:

- I have to unplug and replug my headset (an official Xbox-compatible Astro headset) from my xbox about 33% of the time to get it to recognize my microphone, and this is a common complaint among owners.

- When I try to play Minecraft with a friend, about 50-60% of the time we can't connect, and one or both of us needs to completely restart our console.

- A recent heavily-promoted game, "The Ascent", was actually throwing video memory errors on Xbox consoles for a lot of people:

https://old.reddit.com/r/XboxSeriesXlS/comments/p4losy/the_a...

https://external-preview.redd.it/8wPHr4M1TrBuG8qon6YO2WkrM_V...

- One of Xbox's flagship games, Sea of Thieves, due to creative choices in the world lore, has tied respawn time to your console horsepower. So if you have an Xbox One, you now have to compete against Xbox Series S/X players, or people who have bought an external drive, who respawn much, much faster than you. And the game pushes you strongly towards PVP most of the time. And even if you avoid that, it's still not uncommon to die due to PVE circumstances and "lose" because of the unacceptably long respawn times. So rather than just enjoying the game, you're often cursing your inferior console, or spending time thinking about upgrading its storage just to be competitive.

Newer console games often make you feel pressure to buy the newest console iteration when the older iteration is nearing its end, but Sea of Thieves was released years ago on the Xbox One. Now it's a litany of performance complaints whose answers are just "get a Series X." These days consoles are earlier and earlier becoming advertisements for their newer generations.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by KptMarchewa »

viraptor wrote: post #115
haunter wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

> Cheaper than a gaming PC They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. > Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc. You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

>You still pay for it in the end.

Only if you buy new games at launch.

Consoles still have physical media, so from few days to few weeks you can grab games at a large discount.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by maccard »

zaarn wrote: post #135
maccard wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're comparing full price console games to free PC games. There are numerous games on consoles that cost less than €50, and buying the latest AAA releases on PC will cost you more than €50 too

How many free Console games are there? Much less than PC. It's entirely fair as there is more possibility of free PC games, or them being of negligible cost since you pay lower platform fees. This is in addition to the opportunity costs you incur of not buying a PC or having a lower powered PC as a PC can be used for other things (ie, office work, taxes, other productivity tasks).

In absolute numbers there are more free games on PC (see itch.io) yes but that kind of doesn't matter. If your game choices are purely driven by cost then a second hand laptop with f2p games is going to be the cheapest approach. If you exclusively want to play f2p games, then a cheap PC or a cheap console doesn't really matter. Buy if you're going to be buying a handful of new releases a year, the difference is more like €10 per game rather than €50

> since you pay lower platform fees

The platform fees (not required by the way) are roughly the cost of one game per year, if not cheaper. Gamepass being a very different discussion (and is available on PC too)

> This is in addition to the opportunity costs you incur of not buying a PC or having a lower powered PC as a PC can be used for other things (ie, office work, taxes, other productivity tasks).

I don't know about you but I don't want my work PC to be where I relax in the evenings, and many people don't want their employers software or information on their personal devices. I also live in a country where I don't have to fill in my own taxes, and almost all of my personal computing needs are met by my phone.

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