Programmers’ emotions • Hacker News Board

Re: Programmers’ emotions

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Post by playpause » Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 6:41 PM UTC

8b16380d wrote: post #103

LouisSayers wrote: post #101

I'm honestly not sure how you can make it past say 10 years in the industry without having the mental skills of a Buddhist Monk. Coding isn't too bad for the most part, but on top of that it's like you have to manage the product owners / managers, coach your team mates, and put up with company politic dribble. While you're doing all that people are constantly changing their minds, making you task switch to jump on fi…

The grass always seems greener. Dev jobs are objectively very comfortable. Problems exist in all industries/occupations, who's to say they aren't equally frustrating.

I've done a variety of different jobs in my time, and standard dev work (in a corporate environment with managers and pretend-agile and JIRA etc) is by miles the most stressful, confusing, complicated, bullshit-ridden job I've ever had in terms of day-to-day experience. It's also the most well paid – that's what evens it out. It's not that all jobs/industries are equally frustrating (which is obviously untrue, to anyone who has worked in more than one industry).

The 'objective comforts' you get at some places, if you mean stuff like pingpong and free beers and lunchtime yoga, are sticking plasters that don't actually get much take-up. The only real 'objective comfort' is the high pay, which makes the rest of your life more comfortable, but doesn't make the day-to-day experience of the job any less frustrating, hence developers 'burning out' so often.

Re: Programmers’ emotions

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Post by _y5hn » Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

dasil003 wrote: post #93

Jensson wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, if your manager cares deeply about UX you should too. That doesn't refute anything I said, it is still the manager that is important.

My goal was not to refute you, it was to offer a broader perspective based on decades of experience caring about the same things you seem to care about. The words I used were "overly reductive". Yes, what your manager thinks is important, but so is the broader company culture and what you believe to be right. If the entire company doesn't value something and you do then you're fighting a losing battle and you should…

Often there are many times more concerns than just UX. Some of them real, other concerns manufactured. However, when the decision process is kept opaque, respect is kind of lost in that kind of environment. From experience, the people will never change either, but things can change when their start to die, retire or relocate.

It doesn't help to change company, when the same fads sooner or later starts getting pushed down there as well.

Re: Programmers’ emotions

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Post by badtension » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #75

The key is talking to people. Too many people on here complain about meetings, 1x1's, and that they hate interacting with people who don't understand what they're asking for, like management. The real reason is cause many people (especially new grads) think all their job centers around is code. It absolutely does not. Having fun actually interacting with people around the abhorrent minutia of everyday life is not onl…

From my perspective if I have nothing to enjoy sharing then I would prefer to be left alone.

What you are describing seems forced, like when there are several good-ol pals on a call with a new grad, waiting for him to entertain them with a story.

Talking about oneself and sharing comes with trust which comes with time (working together) and being open with co-workers, this is my experience.