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Re: Meta

#141

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

> Then TikTok came along and it's kind of disproven that? ... none of the algorithmically generated content is as polarizing as what I would find on the other apps. I don't think this is fully accurate. The big differentiator for Tik Tok's algorithmic feed from FB's or Youtube's (in my mind) is not its accuracy or lack of polarization, it's actually that it draws much firmer and harder to cross lines between the part…

isn't ByteDance's play with TikTok to be as inoffensive as possible too? over-greedy filtering out of voices deemed to be "controversial"

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#142
post #20

> Zuckerberg made a similar mistake last year, forcing Oculus users to login with their Facebook account, which not only upset Oculus users but also handcuffed products like Horizon Workrooms, Facebook’s VR solution for business meetings. IMO this point is just a single example of the pattern we've seen. Everything done at Facebook is to drive that network data even if it harms the individual component. That's why Me…

What about this though: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29036327 ?

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#143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) The CSAM scanning on your phone only happens if you specify that you want your photos to be uploaded to iCloud Photo Library. And if doesn't happen client-side then it simply happens server-side with less privacy and security. b) iPhone parts showing errors issues was a bug that was already fixed and applied to TouchID security validation. If it's something new then it's almost guarenteed that this is a good thing…

1) Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. They are setting a terrible precedent. Even if apple does it right, the copy cats won't and that'll be terrible for everyone. 2) Apple customer support has a history of being deceitful. In the US it is illegal for them to reject jailbroken devices from warranty and I've been told by apple they will void your warranty on their internal services if you bring them a…

>Lets not have client side scanning apologists here.

It's not scanning on the client side, it's hashing. People on this site should really understand the difference. The alternative, as many have pointed out, is them uploading your whole image to be scanned server side.

Smart money is that this is a move in front of Apple encrypting your whole icloud backup, and they have to do something if they don't want the legal, political, and social liability of being a free encrypted cloud storage for CSAM.

There's lots of reasons to criticise Apple, this isn't one.

Re: Meta

#144
post #41

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

> betting against a company with such a huge war chest is like trying to catch a falling knife. Indeed. My biggest fear is that succeed. I happen to prefer PCs (and there is no reason to argue for or against that). Apple has been incredibly successful at capturing market share and their devices are now mandatory at my new job. I might not like it, but it's not the end of the world: Apple behaves ethically. Now imagin…

>Apple behaves ethically

There was that whole no poaching thing.

Re: Meta

#145

It's really hard to use much of what Zuck says for reasonable analysis. Examples: > I care about this existing, not just virtual and augmented reality existing, but it getting built out in a way that really advances the state of human connection ... > I think we’ll have hopefully an opportunity to shape the development of the next platform in order to make it more amenable to these ways that I think people will natur…

Maybe for some things (like playing board games or hanging out a la Fortnite) it would be a great idea.

Re: Meta

#146

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

> The only way FB could grow was by pushing content that got people riled up. Not sure if I've ever believe it was the only way for them to grow. I hate Facebook (product) for what it has become but it is an excellent tool for its original use, which is keeping in touch with friends/family/communities.

So is email.

Re: Meta

#147
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So pray tell, what do investors see in it? As a geek I see a hobby horse.

Selling digital goods with fat margins, app store revenue, and ads in digital spaces

Great so moving from display & social ads in Facebook to ads in ... digital spaces.

Can you name a "digital space" or is this still vapor?

Re: Meta

#148
post #20

> Zuckerberg made a similar mistake last year, forcing Oculus users to login with their Facebook account, which not only upset Oculus users but also handcuffed products like Horizon Workrooms, Facebook’s VR solution for business meetings. IMO this point is just a single example of the pattern we've seen. Everything done at Facebook is to drive that network data even if it harms the individual component. That's why Me…

What about this though: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29036327 ?

Oh I'd missed that announcement - maybe it's a good sign and they're changing courses?

Re: Meta

#149
post #73
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Amazon comparison is apt, but I think Apple shifting revenue from hardware to services is a better one. Apple was able to catch the paradigm shift of us starting to use our phones for everything, and make loads of money by offering services to a captive audience and sharecropping opportunities to app developers. Facebook tried to become a platform during the last paradigm shift and failed. Selling users to advert…

Apple is nice comparison. Apple leveraged the power of its brand in that transition (and created a flywheel of sorts to strengthen its brand), whereas the current FB brand wouldn't likely extend as well. So helps show one reason why FB likely saw the need to change naming and start building a new brand (whereas Apple (and Amazon) went the other way).

I'd argue Apply leveraged lock-in and the power of defaults.

Re: Meta

#150

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

FB has so much money they could try literally hundreds of thousands of ideas, have all of them fail, and still have money for hundreds of thousands more. Eventually they will find the next big thing and execute perfectly.

It is inevitable.

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