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Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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I admin and use a Mastodon instance. It takes a while to get used to the differences from Twitter, but it's far more polished than people seem to expect. The reading I tend to recommend if people have questions is Darius Kazemi's https://runyourown.social/

Another admin here, and yes I agree. But one major aspect of fediverse, that people rarely talk about when promoting it, is the spam. To summarize my impressions over the last 5 years I'd say there is no way to run a big open instance without funding. The best way for small single actor instances to survive is to be invite only or approve each member account. And even then I'd suggest using Geo blocking to fence off…

> To summarize my impressions over the last 5 years I'd say there is no way to run a big open instance without funding. The best way for small single actor instances to survive is to be invite only or approve each member account.

I really like the way social.coop, a cooperatively run instance, handles this. Because we're all just pooling a little bit of money (1GBP/yr for most people) we can run a service cheaper than we could run it ourselves if we're renting a VPS and there are enough people interested to create a rotating moderation team, so we rarely get too much spam from other instances. So far a cooperative model has worked very well for us; no donations required, just splitting up costs in the cheapest possible way so that no one gets burned out or feels like their money is carrying the instance!

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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As much as I'd love to use Mastodon, both times I tried, I got bored and gave up because I couldn't find interesting people to follow. All of the people I do find interesting are only on Twitter.

I've had the opposite experience for the most part (way easier to find good people to follow than on Twitter), but maybe that's just because circles I'm interested in have largely migrated to the fediverse which may not be true of most. It also might be because I found an instance dedicated to at least one thing I'm interested in and used that one. Maybe that approach could work for you too?

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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I want to like mastodon, but it needs a single sign on feature and usually every server I look at it is totally dead.

Define "totally dead"? A lot of big servers I've looked at (Fosstodon, social.coop, mastodon.social, etc.) seem very active. Also, "dead" may have to be defined differently in a federated world where it will in fact be quite common (probably even the majority of servers) to have 2 users on an instance that are active, but of course most activity is through federation so the service itself may look like it just has a few posts a day.

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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Another admin here, and yes I agree. But one major aspect of fediverse, that people rarely talk about when promoting it, is the spam. To summarize my impressions over the last 5 years I'd say there is no way to run a big open instance without funding. The best way for small single actor instances to survive is to be invite only or approve each member account. And even then I'd suggest using Geo blocking to fence off…

> To summarize my impressions over the last 5 years I'd say there is no way to run a big open instance without funding. The best way for small single actor instances to survive is to be invite only or approve each member account. I really like the way social.coop, a cooperatively run instance, handles this. Because we're all just pooling a little bit of money (1GBP/yr for most people) we can run a service cheaper tha…

That's great to hear, heart warming.

But I have had many experiences with various voluntary organisations over the years. Hacker spaces, maker spaces, activist groups and online groups.

Maintaining a group is hard work and it requires someone to care about the end goal. And if that one fire brand gives up someone has to take their place.

So in the long run most of my experiences with such organisations have ended on a sad note. And especially when it comes to the Fediverse I'd say 99.99% of my users just want to try it out and see if it ever goes anywhere.

At the moment it's all coming from my pocket because I love the work and I love the idea. And at the moment it's not that much, just maybe 80 euros a month.

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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Anyone have a tutorial on how to use mastodon as an end user? Are there servers worth joining? Does the fediverse make the server you join irrelevant? Has SDF got an instance? Are there clients people prefer? I'd love an alternative social media platform but when I join them they often end up dead (wt.social, etc)

>> Does the fediverse make the server you join irrelevant? In theory, but in the beginning, an instance aligned with your interests will make it easier to find like-minded people to follow. The instances may also have different rules how you should behave. And you can run into problems when your instance admin bans another instance with which you would like to communicate, or you instance gets banned by them. Just the perils of online drama in small communities I guess. Running your own instance could help here, though.

>> Has SDF got an instance? https://mastodon.sdf.org/

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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> USSR was built on that kind of manipulation and now it's coming here Can you link to where I could read up on that? Propaganda tactics are fascinating, and this one is one I never knew about.

I believe what they're talking about is more commonly referred to as "McCarthyism".

No, McCarthyism was an anti-communist panic in the USA. They're referring to USSR propaganda. I assure you, resentment over a better quality of life was not driving McCarthyism. Quality of life was far lower in the USSR, in addition to the fact that the Union and SSRs had more mass killings and abuses of citizens than United States by orders of magnitude:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Sovie...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Sov...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Eston...

A place with high quality of life wouldn't have three entire nations jump at the first sign of instability to declare independence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singing_Revolution

"I have seen the future, and it works!" is nothing more than demonstrably false propaganda. See here the anarcho-communist Emma Goldman say it themselves:

http://libcom.org/files/Emma%20Goldman-%20My%20Disillusionme...

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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Presumably because they are using modified AGPL licensed code without releasing their modifications.

So the real question now is: can the FSF sue?

The FSF could provide lawyers at most, but given their track record that might very well happen.

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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post #49

I admin and use a Mastodon instance. It takes a while to get used to the differences from Twitter, but it's far more polished than people seem to expect. The reading I tend to recommend if people have questions is Darius Kazemi's https://runyourown.social/

Another admin here, and yes I agree. But one major aspect of fediverse, that people rarely talk about when promoting it, is the spam. To summarize my impressions over the last 5 years I'd say there is no way to run a big open instance without funding. The best way for small single actor instances to survive is to be invite only or approve each member account. And even then I'd suggest using Geo blocking to fence off…

I feel like local governments running some sort of federated network like that would be really cool, and could reduce some of the political influence twitter has. How local "local" is could be anything from a city to state/province to country-wide. Unfortunately, I think it would require centralized or federated identity management which is pretty complex, especially at a government level.

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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beware mastodon downloads and mirrors all federated media to instance users, which is whatever, but the admin tools do not correctly keep track of removing old media. hell, if an instance goes offline without nuking itself proper, mastodon will leave all of the media on your drive. it requires a ton of babysitting to run on bound storage, and the issues around this are still open. i highly highly recommend pleroma ov…

It is not that the admin tools do not correctly keep track of old media, it is that the judgement over what to keep is left to the admin since it is not so simple to programmatically decide whether a resource being currently unavailable through the network means it's gone forever, and whether it's gone intentionally or unintentionally. A server that went down might come back after a month of downtime, all sorts of th…

> but hotlinking to 3rd party servers leaves your users vulnerable to tracking by malicious operators, leeches off the bandwidth of remote servers,

And goatse attacks. Nothing ensures that the media that was there when the post was shared to the local instance will be the same at the moment it is shown to an user. An instance can turn evil and replace nice user-generated images with ads once they are shared all across the fediverse.

Re: Mastodon: AGPLv3 FOSS social network server

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another admin here, and yes I agree. But one major aspect of fediverse, that people rarely talk about when promoting it, is the spam. To summarize my impressions over the last 5 years I'd say there is no way to run a big open instance without funding. The best way for small single actor instances to survive is to be invite only or approve each member account. And even then I'd suggest using Geo blocking to fence off…

> My personal wish is to see the fediverse made up of smaller, localized instances that federate across borders. So for example a Finnish instance that only accepts finnish users, but it federates with every other instance. This would be great to stop the American-influence dominating every conversation like happens on Reddit, etc.

While English is the majority by server stats, there are plenty in other languages. You can filter out English toots. The filter isn't perfect, but it works well enough.
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