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Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by yunohn »

blix wrote: post #86
yunohn wrote: post #59

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Do you have some sources to prove that “most of human history”, everyone was hoarding? Necessity leads to JIT, only in times of surplus can you even try to hoard. Famines were common before, and still occur now - you just don’t notice now thanks to globalization and in part, essential reserves maintained by governments and companies.

Humans very quickly realized that food doesn't always come in at a constant rate and learned to hoard[1] in times of plenty to protect against times of scarcity. As you note, current governments still stockpile food, but before power was so heavily centralized this responsiblity fell to smaller communities and family units. The very first proto-states formed around resource stockpiles[2], but food preservation had be…

So… what’s your point then?

We agree that humans were not able to hoard (ever, despite changing definitions) at the level we actually currently do. But, obviously, we don’t hoard enough to meet incredibly rare supply chain shortages like these.

It seems to me like we are at a well optimized level; do you feel otherwise, and if so, how do you plan to solve it without resource wastage and price increases?

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

brigandish wrote: post #127
bellyfullofbac wrote: post #105

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It would probably end the restrictions (to which the "I've got their plan figured out"-contrarian will reply "No, I bet the tyrannical governments have worse plans"). The scientific literature says the vaccinated have lower viral load and are less infectious, if the load on hospitals and careworkers get reduced, what would prevent the relaxation of the restrictions? Currently careworkers have been under extra pressur…

> The scientific literature says the vaccinated have lower viral load and are less infectious It appears that is not necessarily the case[1]: > In July 2021, following multiple large public events in a Barnstable County, Massachusetts, town, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons. Testing identified…

I don't think that study disproves my statement, the study didn't/couldn't see viral load or infectiousness.

I wonder how many more would've been sick without the vaccine. There were 469 cases, but how many showed up to those events?

Reading the study further, 4 vaxed people (and 1 unvaxed) were hospitalized and there were 0 deaths. I'd say a great result for the vaccine, but to be objective we'd have to see how it'd be different with the same set of people (same health status, etc) but without the vaccine.

I think/hope the goal isn't the eradication of the virus or its spread, but rather reducing the number of hospitalizations. The virus will probably stay with us, but if hospitals are no longer overwhelmed (since people aren't getting very sick and dying) then the governments will probably drop restrictions. Although mask mandates for some places like hospitals or old people's homes will probably remain for a long time...

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by tjr225 »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #115
tjr225 wrote: post #98

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I have a home, two cars, food, and blue paint. I’m not rich by any means, but my life has never been more abundant. A coworker gave me a graphics card, too!

Do you have cake you can hand out too?

I could probably make that happen if I really wanted to.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by tjr225 »

skhr0680 wrote: post #106
tjr225 wrote: post #98

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I have a home, two cars, food, and blue paint. I’m not rich by any means, but my life has never been more abundant. A coworker gave me a graphics card, too!

Gas is getting to 2008 levels where I live, surely you would notice that if you have two vehicles

I’m working from home, dog. Day care is 2 miles away. In spite of a bicycle shortage I bought an ebike and a child seat and take my kid to day care that way!

I don’t even really like working from home(been remote since 2018) so when I want to go into the office I take the train into the city.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by ngc248 »

azinman2 wrote: post #68

My hope is that supply chain issues will make clear the downsides to execs (not just the workers) and governments of externalizing all manufacturing abroad and out of reach. Look at the chaos caused by a pandemic, now imagine war or purposefully using supply chain as leverage.

In addition to outsourcing ... its primarily the "Just In Time" way of Inventory management which is the problem. Now at least all governments need to wake up, bring back critical manufacturing back and also maintain strategic inventory.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by routerl »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #132
routerl wrote: post #51

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It wasn't just any purple, but the particular purple that came from a species of sea snail. For example, purple dyes were common in China many centuries before the Roman Tyrian Purple we're talking about, but never gained this luxury status. So it's worth pointing out that Tyrian Purple was an exceptionally long lasting dye; it did not fade when left in the sun, or after washing. Compared to other purple fabrics, Tyr…

I don't know when China was doing purple, but do note that we have proof of Phoenicians making purple from these snails as far back as around 1400BCE. It predates the Romans by a very long time.

Yes, hence Tyrian purple, from Tyre in Lebanon. Han purple comes from ~1000 BC[1].

But we were talking about regal purple, which I'm fairly certain was an outcome of Roman sumptuary laws. Eventually only the emperor could wear it. Yes, Tyrian purple predates the Romans, but it was merely a luxury good rather than a symbol of empire.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_purple_and_Han_blue

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by swiley »

LurkingPenguin wrote: post #130
swiley wrote: post #128

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If containers aren't working I'm sure people would be willing to use something like the black and yellow totes given enough market pressure.

I think you're vastly underestimating the volume of cargo that moves and the world of infrastructure that has been put in place to move it. Also, to the extent that small vessels are used in the "transportation" business, it's for contraband, not Beanie Babies. Look up the street value of 100 kilos (~220 pounds) of cocaine in major US and European cities and compare it to the value of a 40 foot container full of nuts…

Suppose someone was willing to follow the law; How would they advertise this service?

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by blix »

yunohn wrote: post #141
blix wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans very quickly realized that food doesn't always come in at a constant rate and learned to hoard[1] in times of plenty to protect against times of scarcity. As you note, current governments still stockpile food, but before power was so heavily centralized this responsiblity fell to smaller communities and family units. The very first proto-states formed around resource stockpiles[2], but food preservation had be…

So… what’s your point then? We agree that humans were not able to hoard (ever, despite changing definitions) at the level we actually currently do. But, obviously, we don’t hoard enough to meet incredibly rare supply chain shortages like these. It seems to me like we are at a well optimized level; do you feel otherwise, and if so, how do you plan to solve it without resource wastage and price increases?

I don't think this is our last pandemic. Really the modern globalized era is a vanishingly small slice of human history. Ancient societies were often wiped out by unexpected events. I would not bet that nothing unexpected will ever happen again. On the contrary, the relatively consistent climate that has sustained literally all of human civilization is changing at an unprecedented rate. I expect frequent major challenges to existing systems. I think COVID is actually a minor challenge in this space; the economic effect is only so large because of how poorly we were prepared.

I reject your constraints. Optimizing for minimum resource wastage and price is also optimizing for minimim reslience to the unexpected. If you want to experience this first hand try living paycheck-to-paycheck. I'd rather pay more and consume less while relying on more resilient systems; I think we need it now more than ever.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by junon »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #125
junon wrote: post #20

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These sorts of comments are against HN guidelines. It's not conducive to complain about the site's poor UX, as aggravating as it is.

Disagree. Atrocities like this website exist precisely because the sort of people who hang around here didn't say 'No' when ordered to create them.

Take it up with dang, then. I don't make the rules.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by yunohn »

blix wrote: post #148
yunohn wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… what’s your point then? We agree that humans were not able to hoard (ever, despite changing definitions) at the level we actually currently do. But, obviously, we don’t hoard enough to meet incredibly rare supply chain shortages like these. It seems to me like we are at a well optimized level; do you feel otherwise, and if so, how do you plan to solve it without resource wastage and price increases?

I don't think this is our last pandemic. Really the modern globalized era is a vanishingly small slice of human history. Ancient societies were often wiped out by unexpected events. I would not bet that nothing unexpected will ever happen again. On the contrary, the relatively consistent climate that has sustained literally all of human civilization is changing at an unprecedented rate. I expect frequent major challe…

> If you want to experience this first hand try living paycheck-to-paycheck. I'd rather pay more and consume less

I don’t understand how you can have these statements side by side… Price increases by hoarding will affect the poor the most.

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