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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by system2 »

akudha wrote: post #137
loxias wrote: post #28

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> 1,200 an hour! I've always been mildly curious, my first thoughts were "Less than I thought!". Hear me out (criticism of my thinking on this is very welcome): In LA's Ktown, a Domi (a job I had no idea existed just a few years ago... google if curious) charges a base rate of $100/hr, plus tips. For the client, there is no guarantee of nudity or any physical contact, though it's of course up to each individual what…

I have no experience with this industry, I don't know what Domi is. I was simply looking at the numbers from my very limited (zero) understanding of the economics of sex work and economics in general. $1,200 is two months of my food budget, when I eat well, lol. Somebody reading this comment (probably making minimum wage) might be thinking 20$ (1200/60) per day food budget is a luxury. Anyway, all I was wondering is…

Are you eating outside with $600 or at home?

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by kfprt »

LurkingPenguin wrote: post #124
kfprt wrote: post #100

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Length of relationships, self reported happiness, lifespan etc. Anything statistically significant.

And then what? You're going to tell consenting adults what they're allowed to do based on some subjective analysis of these? What happens if the men who pay directly for sex report shorter relationships and have lifespans 6 months shorter than men who don't, but they tell you they're happier? Or what happens if you discover that men who pay for sex while in relationships report longer relationships?

Of course not. It's like smoking, a case for disincentives. As for data that doesn't yet exist, I can't comment.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by loxias »

akudha wrote: post #137
loxias wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1,200 an hour! I've always been mildly curious, my first thoughts were "Less than I thought!". Hear me out (criticism of my thinking on this is very welcome): In LA's Ktown, a Domi (a job I had no idea existed just a few years ago... google if curious) charges a base rate of $100/hr, plus tips. For the client, there is no guarantee of nudity or any physical contact, though it's of course up to each individual what…

I have no experience with this industry, I don't know what Domi is. I was simply looking at the numbers from my very limited (zero) understanding of the economics of sex work and economics in general. $1,200 is two months of my food budget, when I eat well, lol. Somebody reading this comment (probably making minimum wage) might be thinking 20$ (1200/60) per day food budget is a luxury. Anyway, all I was wondering is…

It must be nice, agreed! Sadly I wouldn't know.

In the past 20 years, I've been nearly homeless, working 2 minimum wage retail jobs 60/h week and cursing the lack of time or energy to improve my situation, and, at another extrema, regularly charged about $1,200/day for my time.

Right now I'm MUCH closer to the former than the later. I can tell you the latter is more fun! ;) But, even then, I'd spend $100/h for a luxury like fine dining, and spending $1000/h for a luxury would have seemed absurd. I imagine if, one made 10x the money, then spending $1000/h for a luxury might make sense?

But, like you said, it must be nice, agreed.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by heurisko »

EllieEffingMae wrote: post #119
iammisc wrote: post #118

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Yet, many men wake up with the desire to build things. That is not an atypical desire. Many men wake up with a desire to build things for money. Many women do as well. Few people wake up wanting to sell their procreative parts to the highest bidder.

If you're okay with one of these things but not the other, then you are applying a double standard based on a moralisation of sex. Sex as labour is no different than any labour, and there is no criticism of sex work that is whole an complete that does not also criticise the very system you're defending.

> Sex as labour is no different than any labour.

If that is true, then a thought experiment would be: should refusing to enter prostitution be a grounds for losing jobseekers' welfare, eg. jobseekers allowance [1]?

[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jobseekers-allowa...

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by durnygbur »

That's quite impressing with its sophistication. I'm from post-Communist country and talking with my former (female, heterosexual) dates from the same country, guys from Anglosphere countries get sex with them relatively easy and free of charge - because of curiosity and cultural inferiority well preserved by your show business. These are regular attractive girls and women which later on have families, children, and unaware partners. Meantime I probably wouldn't even go through the screening process of an escort in an Anglosphere country... not to mention the ridiculous prices... sad. Rare matches with American ladies on OLD which aren't some form of scam just don't stick at all. Even the dating over here was taken over by an American media group, you guys just want an absolute monopoly on sex. All that remains for us is your porn.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by kragen »

detaro wrote: post #103
psyc wrote: post #97

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That is interesting, thanks. What I’ll agree to is that it is possible in principle to vary the extent to which you apply traditional engineering concepts to software development. But I believe that’s good ol’ cross-disciplinary insight (are genetic programmers biologists?) And maybe if you turn that knob all the way up, maybe you could be said to be doing engineering. But I’m not convinced of that last part yet, and…

My impression (which kind of matches the blog series) is that that "like an engineer" bit is a bit overhyped in these discussions. E.g. a good chunk of what I do is embedded software, so I sometimes work with EEs that have designed the hardware my software is supposed to run on - and the range of how systematically (or not) they approach things isn't any smaller than the one you find in software. (Now I wonder if the…

Yeah, that's my experience too. And I can report, from working with EEs and talking to EE family members, that they do sometimes engage in that sort of my-subdiscipline-is-realer-than-yours one-upmanship too, but more often it's about using "outdated" design practices vs. "immature" ones, or about the appropriate balance of planning vs. exploration for a given project. All very familiar territory for programmers, though there are some differences.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by chasil »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #133
chasil wrote: post #127

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There is a point in your life where this will all be put away, the longing, the regret, the desire, and the complexity. I am beyond that event horizon. Looking out from a "Schwarzschild radius" on what other people choose to suffer, I remember being on the other side. I am not going back. There is a story about one who goes back, Avalokiteshvera. That is not me, for now. None of us have the bandwidth.

I don’t think this is a helpful discussion.

You yourself are spectacular in what you must be, and you deserve all honor for your past and future selves.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by guythedudebro »

system2 wrote: post #138
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #42

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And also: > 8% reported legal trouble > 8% reported being arrested > 16% reported physical assault > 17% reported contracting a STD > 29% reported being stolen from > 41% reported sexual assault So no doubt the rates are in part a reflection of the risks providers take in the course of offering their services.

> 17% reported contracting a STD I wonder if any money is worth having an extreme risk of getting a deadly virus.

What you quoted does not really imply you are at an extreme risk of getting a deadly virus.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by system2 »

guythedudebro wrote: post #148
system2 wrote: post #138

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> 17% reported contracting a STD I wonder if any money is worth having an extreme risk of getting a deadly virus.

What you quoted does not really imply you are at an extreme risk of getting a deadly virus.

At 17%, if you do it a long period of time you definitely get it. Even if it isn't deadly virus, you get something nasty and most likely permanently.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by chasil »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #116
chasil wrote: post #106

As funny as it may be, this is a weakness in human character, a desire for a thing of no value. Transactional exchanges bleach emotion and depth. There are productive relationships in life. They do not lie within this realm. For myself, this was waste of time. I do not deny those who seek it, but the end result is always to be disillusioned. And now I sound like an octogenarian.

One of the friendships I most value in my life, I formed meeting for the more transactional version of this: at a brothel. I made a lifelong friend because I connected with someone, even though I was paying for sex. I’m not expecting to change your mind about whether this kind of interaction can become a meaningful connection. But I know from experience it doesn’t have to be empty.

I am not your judge.

I am not hateful.

I am both neutral and an advocate.

We should design a social order where all people could be free of impulses in a greater design.

I could do this.

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