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Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by kaixi »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #8

Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

B2 to Cloudflare egress is free, they are both part of Bandwidth Alliance: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/solutions/content-delivery.html

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by tomjen3 »

greg-m wrote: post #98
jacurtis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to their press release it says: > That's why Cloudflare plans to eliminate egress fees, deliver object storage that is at least 10% cheaper than S3, and make infrequent access completely free for customers A few elements of concern. It says they "plan to", so we don't know if this is near term or some moonshot type of goal. It also states earlier in the press release that the free egress frees are offered v…

Hey, R2 PM here - there's no question that the product will have 0 egress charges, regardless of destination. For archival use-cases, you do still pay us for data storage. We're referring to not charging for operations for infrequent access - we'll likely drop the stored data charge down too, eventually, but the current pricing is complex enough.

Will you be going after "abusive" hosts? Like if I wanted to use your services to deliver a successful podcast or a viral video I would be paying you pennies a month for storage, while taking up boatloads of bandwidth.

I am not planing on doing either, but I am just curious what you would do about it?

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by rmason »

greg-m wrote: post #92
rmason wrote: post #87

What I want to see is Cloudflare enable hosting static websites on R2. For me that would be an absolute game changer. I know you can already host websites on Cloudflare using another service but I want to see R2 get enabled.

We've heard this a few times and will support it :). Also, shameless plug for Cloudflare Pages to host on CF today.

Thanks Greg,

You just made my day!

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by nvahalik »

mattjaynes wrote: post #139
sillysaurusx wrote: post #8

Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

As mentioned in another comment, don't forget to consider B2's weekly 2 hour maintenance windows during the US work day: https://www.backblaze.com/scheduled-maintenance.html

This was the reason we ended up moving away from B2. It may be durable but their storage isn't a drop-in replacement for S3 or similar products. They are really an S3-compatible target for backup softwares.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by pqdbr »

AWS's bandwidth pricing is already crazy expensive on US, but when you look at LATAM pricing (Sao Paulo) it's simply outrageous. And you're paying in USD with a devalued BRL.

If Cloudflare really delivers R2 with free egress and a global CDN you'd have to be crazy not to switch.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by Smerity »

iptrans wrote: post #100
Smerity wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! I'd never seen them. The only minor catches that I've seen are that they want you to start the account with $50 or more added, it's $6 per TB per month (rounded up to the nearest TB) with a 90 day minimum duration, and you're allowed 1TB egress per day for each TB you have stored. They were also acquired very recently[2] though no clue how that might impact things. I'm fine with all those except the pre-loadi…

”you're allowed 1TB egress per day for each TB you have stored.” Where did you find the reference to 1TB per day? On the page it says: “1 TB of data egress for every 1 TB storage capacity used” I would have assumed this is per month.

You're right, I misread it and now can't edit my comment. This puts it all in quite a similar position to Wasabi[1] who have a 1:1 storage:transfer ratio per month and a 90 day minimum storage duration as well. In fact, their price per terabyte is almost exactly the same ($5.99 for Wasabi vs $6 for Rstor).

It's a shame as I love aspects of this type of storage service, even with the caveats, but they're not useful if there's no way to pay more for excess transfer. Luckily I think R2 fits that requirement (though paying for more operations vs paying for more transfer).

[1]: https://wasabi.com/paygo-pricing-faq/

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by sparc24 »

sam0x17 wrote: post #83
heipei wrote: post #53

Slight miscalculation which should have been obvious: "For example, Backblaze B2’s free operations threshold is capped at 2,500 a day, and if R2 simply let you make a GetObject request every second of every day, that would be something like 86,400 FREE daily Gets, which would cost ~$335 daily on B2 or $122,000 a year." Backblaze B2 Class B operations are priced at $0.004 per 10k operations which the author did not ta…

I wonder how this compares with Wasabi. I was very bullish on them a few years ago.

Wasabi is a clown show brought to you by the Carbonite guys. I wouldn't trust it at all given their track record.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by luhn »

This article touches on the one major unanswered question I have about R2: CloudFlare's CDN ToS make it clear CF is meant to host websites and APIs, not content downloads [1]. Does R2 have similar ToS? It's reasonable that CF doesn't want R2 customers that use 500MB of paid storage and 500TB of free bandwidth, so what is acceptable use?

[1] The Services are offered primarily as a platform to cache and serve web pages and websites. Unless explicitly included as part of a Paid Service purchased by you, you agree to use the Services solely for the purpose of (i) serving web pages as viewed through a web browser or other functionally equivalent applications, including rendering Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) or other functional equivalents, and (ii) serving web APIs subject to the restrictions set forth in this Section 2.8. Use of the Services for serving video or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other non-HTML content is prohibited, unless purchased separately as part of a Paid Service or expressly allowed under our Supplemental Terms for a specific Service.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by Eugr »

Smerity wrote: post #146
iptrans wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

”you're allowed 1TB egress per day for each TB you have stored.” Where did you find the reference to 1TB per day? On the page it says: “1 TB of data egress for every 1 TB storage capacity used” I would have assumed this is per month.

You're right, I misread it and now can't edit my comment. This puts it all in quite a similar position to Wasabi[1] who have a 1:1 storage:transfer ratio per month and a 90 day minimum storage duration as well. In fact, their price per terabyte is almost exactly the same ($5.99 for Wasabi vs $6 for Rstor). It's a shame as I love aspects of this type of storage service, even with the caveats, but they're not useful if…

That's interesting... When talking to their reps I mentioned Wasabi and asked if they have similar limitations and they said "no". I wonder if enterprise customers are treated differently?

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by sodality2 »

tomjen3 wrote: post #142
greg-m wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, R2 PM here - there's no question that the product will have 0 egress charges, regardless of destination. For archival use-cases, you do still pay us for data storage. We're referring to not charging for operations for infrequent access - we'll likely drop the stored data charge down too, eventually, but the current pricing is complex enough.

Will you be going after "abusive" hosts? Like if I wanted to use your services to deliver a successful podcast or a viral video I would be paying you pennies a month for storage, while taking up boatloads of bandwidth. I am not planing on doing either, but I am just curious what you would do about it?

If the requests /sec are over the free limit, you'd be charged.
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