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Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by TaupeRanger »

markenqualitaet wrote: post #71
tylerwhipple wrote: post #33

If anyone is struggling with sleep, I highly recommend episode 1-3 of the Huberman Lab podcast ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-XfCl-HpRM ), it has literally changed my life. Dr. Huberman is a Neurobiologist at Stanford and explains the science of sleep vs just telling you to not look at bright screens at night. I struggled with sleeping for 20+ years, now I easily wake up early. The biggest game changer: Sunlight…

Podcast looks good. Thanks for sharing. Heads-up for those who care: It's a commercial podcast with sponsors, trojan ads and all, sadly. https://hubermanlab.libsyn.com/rss

It's not. I couldn't get through the first 2 episodes without rolling my eyes every 10 minutes. It's full of all the standard neuro-bunk that is everywhere these days. Making very obvious points about human behavior that neuroscience does not illuminate, but making it sound otherwise ("kids are more impulsive because their brains are different"...duh). And cherry picking studies to confirm some "blow-your-mind" point that is actually much more fuzzy and contentious than he is willing to describe ("brain rewiring ONLY occurs during sleep"...not remotely supported by any study anywhere, and conveniently he never posts any sources or studies in his description or on his website). The cherry on top was noticing that he invited noted neuro-bollocks offender Matt Walker (who wrote a book called "Why We Sleep" which literally never even attempts answer the titular question). I'd pass on this one.

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by gmadsen »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #137
KE88vga578cxY52 wrote: post #50

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> Sunlight in your eyes within 30 minutes of waking up. I live in Florida - our license plates don’t call it the sunshine state for nothing - but even here the sun doesn’t rise at 5am. Short of blasting my retinas with bright lights soon after reveille, I don’t see where I’m going to obtain sunlight this early in the morning. (It’s 07:21 local time now, and the sun is just now coming up. It’ll be a beautiful sunrise,…

Well, yes, waking up in the the middle of the night is not great for your ability to have a normal sleep schedule.

I don't think many would consider 5 am to be the middle of the night, nor does it make sense to change how much you sleep with the seasons

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

giantg2 wrote: post #61
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #17

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Honestly, OTC quantities vary depending on what is legal where you live. It has been 8-9 years since I lived in the US but nevertheless: At the time, you could buy 1000-2000iu strengths. I worked at a large pharmacy chain and stocked vitamins weekly. Then I moved to Norway. One strength is sold in most stores - 400iu per tablet. You might be able to buy stronger in the pharmacy, but I had to have a prescription for a…

Is it possible they sell a lower strength because the nordic diet tends to include a lot of seafood which has vitamin D? Or is it just a legal thing about selling weaker supplements?

I don't know the answer to this. If I were to guess, though, it is more about selling reasonable strengths to folks self-treating. First, supplements are generally recommended to everyone living here as part of being healthy, and truly stressed for immigrants. Even eating fish just isn't always enough, especially if you do not have the very fair skin that is common here. Second.. well, melatonin was prescription when I moved here.

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

fighterpilot wrote: post #20
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #17

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Honestly, OTC quantities vary depending on what is legal where you live. It has been 8-9 years since I lived in the US but nevertheless: At the time, you could buy 1000-2000iu strengths. I worked at a large pharmacy chain and stocked vitamins weekly. Then I moved to Norway. One strength is sold in most stores - 400iu per tablet. You might be able to buy stronger in the pharmacy, but I had to have a prescription for a…

It would depend on individual ability to metabolize D3 and amount of outdoors sunlight and the extent that local food is fortified with D3. So everyone's situation is unique. I'm confident that 2,000 IU daily is safe, though.

It would depend on individual ability to metabolize D3 and amount of outdoors sunlight and the extent that local food is fortified with D3

The issue is that I fairly far north. You can miss the entirety of daylight in December if you work first shift at a factory (there will be a glow of twilight as you go home). The sunlight we do get in the winter is of poor quality. I'm not even above the arctic circle - it gets worse up there with no direct sunlight. I'm not sure of the extent of food being fortified: I can't see where they've added it to the milk (for example). I could be wrong about this last bit.

There is a lot of fish in the diet, but nonetheless, they recommend the general population take some vitamin D in the wintertime.

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by mgleason_3 »

carabiner wrote: post #97
JonathanFly wrote: post #41

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>The biggest game changer: Sunlight in your eyes within 30 minutes of waking up. Try morning walks for 1 week (without sunglasses) and your life will be changed. For me I had to also really avoid light at night. F.lux or Windows Night Mode is not enough. You gotta suffer with strong indoor lightblocker glasses, or use e-ink or something at night. And in the winter there sometimes isn't enough sun. You need a LOT of l…

I've thought about trying to simulate an outdoors awakening. With Phillips hue lights you can simulate the sunrise, then a smart thermostat for having the air become warmer. You could play bird chirping noises as well. Can't do much about making the air smell different in the morning like it does outdoors.

You cannot smell while you are asleep Rachel Herz, professor of psychiatry at Brown University.

This is why we have smoke detectors...

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by m0zg »

nxpnsv wrote: post #59
m0zg wrote: post #39

Another one of these "eggs are good"/"eggs are bad" flip flops that happens every few years. Before this the "science" was that too much vitamin D disrupts sleep. In fact it seems to have disrupted mine. It's 4AM, and I can't sleep even after taking a MJ brownie. I take 2000IUs daily and my values are "normal" now. And yet I've been suffering from insomnia shortly after I started taking this supplement. Who do I beli…

I think I've read that THC usage can affect long term sleep quality...

Maybe, but I only take it when it's particularly bad, and only started recently, so I'm pretty sure it's not THC. If it's between Ambien (benzodiazepine, impossible to get off of) and a non-addictive alternative, I pick the latter. Besides, I'm pretty sure there will be another study in 2-3 years stating the exact opposite.

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by BitwiseFool »

JonathanFly wrote: post #41
tylerwhipple wrote: post #33

If anyone is struggling with sleep, I highly recommend episode 1-3 of the Huberman Lab podcast ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-XfCl-HpRM ), it has literally changed my life. Dr. Huberman is a Neurobiologist at Stanford and explains the science of sleep vs just telling you to not look at bright screens at night. I struggled with sleeping for 20+ years, now I easily wake up early. The biggest game changer: Sunlight…

>The biggest game changer: Sunlight in your eyes within 30 minutes of waking up. Try morning walks for 1 week (without sunglasses) and your life will be changed. For me I had to also really avoid light at night. F.lux or Windows Night Mode is not enough. You gotta suffer with strong indoor lightblocker glasses, or use e-ink or something at night. And in the winter there sometimes isn't enough sun. You need a LOT of l…

I also tried colored LED lighting in my computer space. I turn it down and red, kind of like those rooms where people develop photographic film. It works wonders for getting me to feel tired after a while.

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by gremloni »

fouric wrote: post #138
gremloni wrote: post #122

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What really worked for me is having a full glass of water on my bed stand. Wake up and drink the entire glass. It really works immediately for me.

I think the parent comment is aimed at people who have trouble waking up because they didn't get enough sleep , not just because they're sleepy.

Sunlight in the eyes doesn’t fix that issue either.

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by fouric »

gremloni wrote: post #148
fouric wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the parent comment is aimed at people who have trouble waking up because they didn't get enough sleep , not just because they're sleepy.

Sunlight in the eyes doesn’t fix that issue either.

Um, it actually does, if you have a circadian rhythm sleep disorder (for which one of the treatments is light therapy, aka getting sunlight in your eyes[1]).

Conversely, I'm not aware of any sleep disorders that are treated by drinking a glass of water in the morning.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm_sleep_disorde...

Re: Clinical trial shows that the use of Vitamin D supplement improves sleep quality

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Post by gremloni »

fouric wrote: post #149
gremloni wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sunlight in the eyes doesn’t fix that issue either.

Um, it actually does, if you have a circadian rhythm sleep disorder (for which one of the treatments is light therapy, aka getting sunlight in your eyes[1]). Conversely, I'm not aware of any sleep disorders that are treated by drinking a glass of water in the morning. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm_sleep_disorde...

Anecdotally it seems to work well even if I’ve had only 5-6 hours of sleep that night.
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