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Post by duderific »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #133
dilap wrote: post #88

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With the glaring exception of the butterfly keyboard debacle (typing on, what, my fourth right now? and already showing some signs of wonkiness), I agree hardware quality is amazing & best its ever been. The software though... Fit and finish has fallen off a cliff. So many weird glitchy anims and dumb usability issues.

The wireless mouse that can't be used while being charged is the one that gets me. I don't know that Jobs would've approved that

It seems likely that he would have, because the port being on the bottom (making it so you can't use it while charging) allows the form factor to be that much sleeker. Jobs would generally opt for the form factor over convenience - ever making phones/laptops slimmer and lighter at the cost of battery life, for example.

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Post by killion »

adventured wrote: post #104
nostromo wrote: post #92

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Mac development started stagnating under Jobs though, once the iPod and then iPhone really took off. It's well known that Jobs was basically bored with the Mac and spent all of his time focusing on the iPhone. This is where having a single visionary in charge of everything (including small decisions) breaks down. There are so many days in the week and you can't be everywhere at once. Cook is the better CEO, and Jobs…

I disagree about Cook being the better CEO. He's the better chief operating officer, which is the ideal combination with Jobs as CEO. A product person should always lead a company like Apple, if you can find one good enough to do the job. If you don't have that eventually you'll miss a critical inflection and the company will tip over. Cook will extract maximum profit from the product and ecosystem foundation that Jo…

I think that is exactly right. Tim Cook is the most amazing supply chain and operational leader – but he is not a product person. He doesn't have the knack for diving in and really refining how things work.

Without that centralized leadership Apple will still have components that excel, like processors, but the fundamental user experience will keep degrading.

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Post by philwelch »

diego_moita wrote: post #110

What I remember the most about Jobs' death are 2 things: 1) Most of the media did an heavy coverage of his death and legacy. 2) Exactly 1 week after his death one of my personal heroes died too: Dennis MacLister Ritchie. Almost no one paid attention. From computers to micro-controllers, from satellites to abs breaks, Ritchie's legacy goes far deeper and wider than Jobs'. Almost every programmer today touches some of…

Steve Jobs was a celebrity. Celebrities are, well, celebrated. People who do important work don't necessarily become celebrities. I used to find that deeply unfair, but I'm not sure being well-known among the common populace is necessarily something to be desired in the first place.

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Post by eikenberry »

basisword wrote: post #30

This thread reminds me of the last Steve Jobs related thread. So many people bashing Jobs based on stories they’ve read having never met him and knowing little about him. People seem to think they even know his private medical history based on only public reports. So much judgement and criticism and it feels completely unnecessary. It’s the kind of pointless outrage type comments we tend not to find very often on HN,…

I don't think this is really unique to Jobs. In fact I think he gets a pretty big break because people like Apple and, well, he's dead. Musk or Bezos, for example, seem to catch a lot more crap.

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Post by solveit »

sokoloff wrote: post #134
soperj wrote: post #112

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Dennis Ritchie's book on C is pretty well required reading for anyone going through a computer science program no?

I suspect there are CS programs that don’t even teach C at this point.

I went through the joint honours degree in mathematics and computer science at Oxford (that's basically a particularly rigid double major for people unfamiliar with the British system). I did not learn C, mostly because I spent a good deal of effort trying to stay as far from actual implementations as possible, but I'm sure it's quite possible for even straight CS students to not learn C. I don't believe that any required courses (which in particular does not include a course on operating systems) use C.

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Post by Austin_Conlon »

mattl wrote: post #16

Nice to see some acknowledgment of NeXT in the video. Often Apple stuff pretends that era never happened.

I was watching a WWDC session the other day and it mentioned that "TextKit 1 first appeared on the system in OpenStep" https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021-10061/?time.... It's a shame how little historical material there is on NeXT.

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Post by [deleted] »

killion wrote: post #23

I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

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Post by _moof »

tomjen3 wrote: post #140
killion wrote: post #23

I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

If Jobs had been there, I can't help but believe there wouldn't have been a notch on the iPhone and the watch would have a longer lasting battery. My Samsung watch can go 2 days in between charges, so it should be possible.

Hard to say. Jobs oversaw all sorts of whiffs. The circular mouse comes to mind. And his ability to turn these kinds of errors into "it's good, actually" was so legendary that it had its own name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

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Post by bigbillheck »

GDC7 wrote: post #106
burnished wrote: post #84

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You're talking about the idea of some one who hurts and abuses other people no longer being allowed to be a part of polite society, and the people that want that to be the case, like its a bad thing. It is just mind boggling. Do you read your own comments?

> You're talking about the idea of some one who hurts and abuses other people no longer being allowed to be a part of polite society, and the people that want that to be the case, like its a bad thing. No , the bad thing is that when somebody is dragged out in the court of public opinion all the positive contributions of that particular individual are not taken into consideration. I am now a wide eyed utopian, I am a…

You're going to have to explain what the Manhattan Project had to do with victory in Europe. And after that, please explain why Feynman's contributions to it were so critical.

Finally, I'd like to ask for an explanation as to how Feynman's actions starting in 1949 could have had a causal effect on a war that ended in 1945.

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Post by float4 »

soperj wrote: post #137
sokoloff wrote: post #134

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I suspect there are CS programs that don’t even teach C at this point.

That seems really weird to me. We even did a machine language course even though we will never do any machine language programming. It's good to understand what the hell is going on. C is amazing in explaining how memory management works, since you have to do it all yourself.

For an undergrad course on compilers that I took, I had to build a parser, implement a state machine and a few other things. All in Haskell.

For my master's I took a course on static analysis, for which we had to perform usage analysis, type error diagnosis, implement a type checker etc. All in... Haskell.

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