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Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by hi5eyes »

croes wrote: post #16

How many times does that have to happen before people realize there is no cloud, only other people's computers. The data that is stored there is no longer yours, just as thanks to Apple and Co. your hardware no longer really belongs to you, but you only enjoy a temporary right of use. It will be interesting to see when hardly anything remains of an entire generation because everything comes from the cloud: Photos, vi…

you will own nothing and be happy

tell yourselves a decade ago: everything is streamed, if something doesn't meet the most up-to-date social guidelines created by a mob of microbloggers it's removed from a storefront or completely kicked off most of the internet, oh and privacy? too radical!

clown world

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by [deleted] »

Causality1 wrote: post #118
ecshafer wrote: post #2

I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

Google's fetish for not providing human support is so counter-productive it makes me think there must be a single powerful individual executive maintaining the policy. It's too stupid to have widespread support among Googlers.

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Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by hunter-gatherer »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #129
version_five wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw comment in another one of these discussions saying you should treat google as a potentially hostile adversary and have a contingency plan for what to do when they turn on you. I agree with this really in relation to every cloud provider. If your business continuity and data are important, there should be a plan for how to keep the lights on if a provider through malice or incompetence stops playing nice. The go…

I have no activity on YouTube, Blogger, or any other Google service since they tied up all the accounts, just to minimize the chance of getting my Gmail chopped off. (Note to self: stop giving feedback on Maps routing. You never know.)

In a past job I was frequently around the globe and was not able to have my phone and SMS always with me. No matter how many settings I tweaked, it just seemed that google would not let me get into my gmail without my phone. Of course my banks would not let me in without my email. Ultimately I had to "de google" for the sake of being able to use the needed internet services wherever there was internet. When so much is tied to email these days, paying for a service that at least has a phone number to call if something goes wrong seems worth it to me, especially since most paid email services are reasonably priced.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by dreamcompiler »

saxonww wrote: post #136
verisimi wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, when you're making an omelette you have to break some eggs. There has been a literal, yet largely silent, book burning going on with Google services in recent years. On youtube, many alternative voices are silenced, billions of comments deleted. I know its a private company, but in the US there are free speech laws + the possibility of using the court system (if someone makes a libellous statement). But no, sil…

Please don't characterize this as a political voices thing. Of course it's _related_, but this instance is about misclassification of private data, not silencing voices online. Also, Google is not a private company.

They are a private company in the sense that they are not a government entity, and thus the first amendment does not apply to them. This is a different sense of the word "private" than whether their stock is or is not publicly traded on an exchange.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by falcor84 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #130
Causality1 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's fetish for not providing human support is so counter-productive it makes me think there must be a single powerful individual executive maintaining the policy. It's too stupid to have widespread support among Googlers.

It doesn't exactly have widespread support; it's more that nobody can propose a better solution that doesn't blow the budget completely out of the water.

Here's one - how about allowing you to pay to get official support if your account has been locked. And maybe even, god forbid, refund you if your complaint had merit.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by jeffbee »

Fiahil wrote: post #113
jeffbee wrote: post #14

As a person who formerly worked on the technical side of anti-abuse (both content and account) at Google, I urge you to read these kinds of reports critically. There is no reason to believe any of the details given in the post, which incorporates a lot of supposition about how this system works. For example, we have no rational basis for believing that this was done by some robot at Google. It is at least as likely t…

> As a person who formerly worked on the technical side of anti-abuse (both content and account) at Google oh well, did you “dogfooded” your own human-review system once flagged by your anti-abuse bots ? Of course not, and that’s why your system suck. If your are/were working at google, you are part of the problem, and if you want to do something about it, you should come down from your ivory tower.

I would say that Googlers are pretty likely to get locked out of their accounts, it happened all the time when I was there, usually for exceeding rate limits of one kind or another (Googlers get orders of magnitude more emails than anyone else for some reason). Dogfooding is generally practiced at that company. Every major system I worked with had new releases inflicted on insiders first.

https://testing.googleblog.com/2014/01/the-google-test-and-d...

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by jvalencia »

Causality1 wrote: post #118
ecshafer wrote: post #2

I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

Google's fetish for not providing human support is so counter-productive it makes me think there must be a single powerful individual executive maintaining the policy. It's too stupid to have widespread support among Googlers.

It seems like you could offer phone support and provide it for a little above cost per month. At their scale it would almost immediately be efficient.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Dylovell »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #129
version_five wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw comment in another one of these discussions saying you should treat google as a potentially hostile adversary and have a contingency plan for what to do when they turn on you. I agree with this really in relation to every cloud provider. If your business continuity and data are important, there should be a plan for how to keep the lights on if a provider through malice or incompetence stops playing nice. The go…

I have no activity on YouTube, Blogger, or any other Google service since they tied up all the accounts, just to minimize the chance of getting my Gmail chopped off. (Note to self: stop giving feedback on Maps routing. You never know.)

Man, That's dark. "You went to X location a few years ago, now there's bad stuff happening there. Your google account is banned."

Leave your phone at home if your are going to protest, no matter what or where you are protesting.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by barbazoo »

gorwell wrote: post #48
croes wrote: post #16

How many times does that have to happen before people realize there is no cloud, only other people's computers. The data that is stored there is no longer yours, just as thanks to Apple and Co. your hardware no longer really belongs to you, but you only enjoy a temporary right of use. It will be interesting to see when hardly anything remains of an entire generation because everything comes from the cloud: Photos, vi…

This is why I've stopped buying books on kindle. It gives Amazon the power to censor your book library, and it would not surprise me at all if we see them exercise that power soon.

Whenever I buy an ebook I go through the painful process of downloading it to my laptop either directly from the store (e.g. Kobo) or via Calibre [0] if I bought it from Amazon which I try to avoid, removing DRM via some tool I found somewhere and uploading it to the ebook again via Calibre. It's annoying an probably illegal but no one can take my ebooks away that way.

[0] https://calibre-ebook.com/

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by dude187 »

verisimi wrote: post #128
ecshafer wrote: post #2

I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

Well, when you're making an omelette you have to break some eggs. There has been a literal, yet largely silent, book burning going on with Google services in recent years. On youtube, many alternative voices are silenced, billions of comments deleted. I know its a private company, but in the US there are free speech laws + the possibility of using the court system (if someone makes a libellous statement). But no, sil…

I remember during the BLM riots, I had shared probably 50 videos of individual destructive and/or violent acts by the rioters in a Slack channel I'm a part of. Probably 6 months later, I went back to look at some.

I found a total of 3 that _hadn't_ been deleted.

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