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Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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> I am now largely terrified to, because of the prospect of accidentally finding CSAM, which I suspect is very high on both platforms. Chilling effects in a nutshell.

It's in Bitcoin's blockchain too: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268

that's bitcoin sv which is not bitcoin

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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You can't see any use case for a private and censorship-resistant publishing platform that isn't illegal? Okay, pretending for a moment that privacy and censorship-resistance aren't good ends unto themselves: Whistleblowing, publishing something perfectly legal but which political or corporate interests don't want published, and publishing or reading LGBT+ content in a political, social, or family situation that woul…

Yeah, but, is anybody actually using it for that ? Or is it just used for criminality, in practice?

And if it is, so what? Plenty of things are illegal around the world that shouldn't be. In some countries, homosexuality is a crime. In some, atheism is a crime. In some, ingesting harmless substances is a crime.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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I stay away from it because chunks of the data is hosted on your local machine, and it could potentially contain very unsavory data. Sure it's encrypted but try to explain that to your local law enforcement.

dumbass detected

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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You have to go out of your way to find abusive media on freenet. There are many top lists of freesites and they are censored of abusive media. I recommend FMS the freenet messaging system which uses web of trust successfully to moderate messages in a Usenet forum.

I am glad it evolved a bit, it used to host a lot of child porn, nazi/fascist material etc And clearly you would be exposed to it through messages or not well annotated index.

This is interesting, I don't remember seeing more than trace amounts of “nazi/fascist material” there at all. Sure, someone has probably thought that the world needs another copy of Mein Kampf, or has had a real important story of how Jews did 9/11, and maybe these freesites are still (partially) available after a decade or so (I am not at all bothered to check, to be honest), but general amount of such loonies has definitely been at the usual level of any decently sized internet community. As for Freenet forum systems, I can only remember a prolific Frost spammer who was either a persistent troll, or a mentally ill person, neither of which is unfamiliar to experienced internet users. It seems to me that some mental inertia has made you continue the list of “offensive content” with “nazi/fascist material, etc.” after you've mentioned “child porn”.

What I don't understand is the word “exposed”. Let's take Mein Kampf, for example. I am sure have hit upon it on the internet multiple times over the years. I am sure anyone can find its text in no time, even if their native country banned it. Still it never occurred to me to start reading it. It would really be a joke, and I have nearly endless list of better things to read. I guess I was “exposed” to Mein Kampf, so what?

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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There is no near-absolute right to free speech in the EU. Countless people have been successfilly prosecuted for what would be covered under the 1st amendment in the EU.

ECHR contains the freedom of speech as a human right and so do most EU countries in their own constitutions. "Countless people have been successfully prosecuted for what would be covered under the 1st amendment" (and the ECHR) in the US too. The constitution only has value as long as it's enforced.

Let's talk about Germany, to give one example. In that country, the top court can outright declare political parties illegal, if it believes that they constitute a threat to the democratic order. This was used against the Nazis, of course - but also against the Communist party.

So, ironically, under the current interpretation of 1A, communists have more freedom of speech and association in US than they do in Germany.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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I've been using Freenet for 12 years and have not run into CSAM involuntarily, and of course also not voluntarily! So I don't know how you get the impression that "public servers are off limits"? It is possible that CSAM exists in certain forums on Freenet which might indicate the specific goal of sharing CSAM by their name. But if it were to be posted into non-CSAM forums then the community's web of trust would flag…

I downloaded Freenet during the post-Snowden privacy craze since the concept of a decentralized anonymous network interested me. Here’s my experience circa ~2014: 1. Installed Freenet 2. Clicked on the site directory from the Freenet home page to see what sites are out there 3. Saw links to child pornography sites on the site directory 4. Uninstalled Freenet I hope this has been addressed, it’s sickening how the netw…

> the network seemed to be mainly used by pedophiles

It is not clear how that statement can emerge from the mere observations above it. Are you telling the full story?

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Freenet's default feature is HTML sites - just like the regular web but fully hosted on Freenet and only accessible through it. The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) Further, dynamic applications such as forums are also available. Here's a list of apps built on top of Freenet: https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects Freenet needs UDP so it likely won't work on Tails as Tails tunn…

Freenet can be run through Tor using Onioncat as a virtual network. [0] [0] https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2016/08/18/using-freenet-over-tor....

If I read this correctly it implies that Freenet's opennet does not work anymore?

So you can only connect to Freenet with this setup if you already know someone else who uses Freenet and peer with them manually ("darknet").

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Yeah, but, is anybody actually using it for that ? Or is it just used for criminality, in practice?

And if it is, so what? Plenty of things are illegal around the world that shouldn't be. In some countries, homosexuality is a crime. In some, atheism is a crime. In some, ingesting harmless substances is a crime.

When the original question is whether it's used for non-"super illegal" stuff, I don't think that includes things that are legal in most countries.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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I am glad it evolved a bit, it used to host a lot of child porn, nazi/fascist material etc And clearly you would be exposed to it through messages or not well annotated index.

This is interesting, I don't remember seeing more than trace amounts of “nazi/fascist material” there at all. Sure, someone has probably thought that the world needs another copy of Mein Kampf, or has had a real important story of how Jews did 9/11, and maybe these freesites are still (partially) available after a decade or so (I am not at all bothered to check, to be honest), but general amount of such loonies has d…

I don't think "a copy of Mein Kampf" is the Nazi stuff they're talking about.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Nevermind "CSAM" and "right leaning" politics -- I can't even seem to find a place that will host the anti-obesity group that I used to enjoy reading on reddit. (It was removed by Ellen Pao when they cleaned up "hate groups".)

Everyone moved to telegram. They host your "offensive" memes and chats, they dont care. Right-wing, left-wing whatever you can post it there. You cant call for violence or show violence, like gore content and terrorist videos do get removed. Everything else is fine (for now). Download the app from the website not form the stores to avoid googles censorship.

How long would telegram keep that reputation? They will succumb to pressure one day.
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