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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by watwut » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

clon wrote: post #130

sofixa wrote: post #102

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> So did our Deep State as they lost a twenty year fight against the Taliban. Who immediately started seizing the people's guns upon capturing Kabul I sincerely doubt the average first world person has what it takes to sacrifice their comfortable life and go live in caves to resist a tyrannical occupation. And there's no need for them to do that, realistically.

Still, one of the first signs of a society approaching tyranny is the government cracking down on guns. So if nothing else, it serves as a great canary in the mine.

That is not actually true historically. That is popular talking point.

On the other hand, quite a few authoritarian tyrannical movements started by arming themselves and taking it on themselves to get power. Both nazi and communists started as private citizens arming themselves and causing fights in the streets or robbing people.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by blacktriangle » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

tantalor wrote: post #137

seneca wrote: post #79

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I agree with most of your post. One small quibble though: > There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The whole point is that the government Can Not take away guns, not that they "would not". Inalienable rights preceed government, they are not granted by it. In fact, the government is supposed to exist to safe guard them. I think that's an important philosophical p…

Semantics

Or the single most important point to understand when it comes to government.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Animats » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #95

sharklazer wrote: post #87

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1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. 2. We don’t nuke each other all the ti…

1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. Unless you need to clean it and for th…

Surprisingly, no. The number of misses at very close range in high-stress situations is very high. Hit rates for cops are in the 25% - 50% range, and that's with training.

It's easy enough to get a gun to fire. Hitting the right target requires practice.

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Post by watwut » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

GiorgioG wrote: post #131

sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

The murder rate varies widely by state/area. Chicago's murder rate is significantly higher than its suburbs. The murder rate in the town (37k residents) I live in (in the south) is effectively zero. I wouldn't doubt that all of my neighbors around me (most of us are originally from a northern state) have guns and we've managed not to kill each other. Do you think the French revolution didn't require violence?

I think the person meant contemporary France.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

sharklazer wrote: post #65

If it ain’t censorship, I don’t know but this went from front page to page 3 in 5 minutes or less. This is why I’m growing more and more discontent with HN. Either it was unpopular with the crowd, or the mods. Either way, though, f** manipulated discourse and whoever is instrumentally responsible.

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by pope_meat » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

nradov wrote: post #123

pope_meat wrote: post #119

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I live in the PNW, I've been to the area. If spray paint on a police building is lawless anarchy, alright, I guess, but my best friends girlfriend works literally across the street from the police station depicted, and you know what? It's fine. These stories are bullshit meant to rile you up because fear gets clicks. Some folks have a different opinion, but these folks seem to be afraid anytime they see a houseless p…

Do you consider this fine? I don't think anyone benefits from a breakdown in civil order and the rule of law. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/2/21310109/ch... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53491223

CHOP was fine. Walked through there multiple times when it was happening because I was curious, it really does appear to me like media blowing things out of proportion for clicks/views.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by disneygibson » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #96

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

This only seems scary because analyzing crime data for a continent-sized country doesn’t make much sense. The overwhelming majority of gun crime happens in a tiny percentage of counties.

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Post by NikolaNovak » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #96

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

Also, how come we always only count murder, as opposed to gun violence? How many times is a gun pointed at somebody, or fired at somebody, or accidentally discharged, vs somebody actually dead?

I don't only fear for my life; I fear for my limb and safety and all the other good stuff too :)

(mind you, FWIW, and hopefully lateral to above questions, I'm not necessarily in the full "prohibit guns" camp, more of a "regulate&license", with thinking that since we regulate cars and airplanes and other potentially dangerous stuff that's even not explicitly made to harm we should regulate & license guns. But again, my questions above are from a more abstract perspective)

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Post by micromacrofoot » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

ajay-b wrote: post #64

The entire police force can do nothing for you on the phone. I think it is the reductions in police that are convincing more women to purchase.

Have you ever tried to call the police for an emergency? In my experience they've never been very responsive, no reductions needed.

A friend of mine had literally held someone down who assaulted a woman on a train and the police took 20 minutes to arrive.

I was in a hit and run that rendered my car unusable and the police told me to walk to the station and file a report.

I've got a lifetime of stories like this. I don't even bother calling anymore. This is a major city with a police force that has enough funding to have multiple helicopters.

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Post by bananabreakfast » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

AustinDev wrote: post #104

packetlost wrote: post #101

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> thus ending this culture war and forcing the politicians to fix actual problems You think guns are the core of the culture war? Even if the SCOTUS did make such a ruling, the culture war almost certainly would not end.

It's been shown that many people would side with democrats on the majority of social issues and vote for them if not for their stance on firearms. If the democrats lost their ability to use that as part of their culture war platform they'd likely gain a ton of people who don't vote or vote R simply to retain their rights.

This is silly, because Gun laws are a central part of the platform and can't be abandoned.

This is like saying if Republicans just dropped anti-immigration from their platform they'd gain a ton of people who don't vote for them because they're Mexican.

Any move like this fundamentally alienates the base.