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YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by CamperBob2 »

jchw wrote: post #108
anigbrowl wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube isn't a scrappy little startup with no resources left over after keeping the servers up and running 24-7. They absolutely have the talent, capital, and legal resources to innovate in this area and to assess things like public domain claims. The concept of public domain resources is not a difficult one, you don't need special legal training or advanced math to understand the idea that copyright expires and tha…

I don’t think it can be made clearer: YouTube fought the battle and lost. This is the compromise. Sure, they aren’t a scrappy little startup. Can anyone please propose what they’re supposed to do after losing the lawsuit?

Keep fighting.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by roughly »

marcusverus wrote: post #123
roughly wrote: post #64

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Incidentally, “tragedy of the commons” is one of those things like “inventing money because barter is inefficient” that exists in the lore of economists but doesn’t seem to exist in the real world, and most societies at most times in most places in history seem to have done just fine managing “the commons” as a shared resource through social compact and peer pressure.

> Incidentally, “tragedy of the commons” is one of those things like “inventing money because barter is inefficient” that exists in the lore of economists but doesn’t seem to exist in the real world. Could you elaborate on how "'inventing money because barter is inefficient' doesn't seem to exist in the real world"? The idea that barter's inefficiency drives demand for money seems to me to be self-evidently true, so…

> Could you elaborate on how "'inventing money because barter is inefficient' doesn't seem to exist in the real world"? The idea that barter's inefficiency drives demand for money seems to me to be self-evidently true, so I'd be interested to hear a different perspective.

Others point out Debt below, and that's the canonical argument here. Effectively, the kinds of small societies that most people lived in for most of human history manage exchange based on personal relationships and reciprocal exchange, not abstract or closed monetary transactions. Money arises in the context of either long-range trade, in which sustained relationships aren't guaranteed, or in the context of large states which actually require some form of bookkeeping to track things like taxes and tribute.

The "self-evident" nature of the "barter becomes money" story is the origin myth of Economics - it absolutely sounds like a way things could have happened and feels deeply plausible, but there's no evidence it did.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by 8ytecoder »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #49

In previous years, we'd look at stodgy bureaucratic systems like this and think "Just wait until Google and/or venture capital disrupts them!" But now it is Google and venture capital perpetuating the slow, banal, bureaucratic injustice. The good news is, there's no reason to believe that Google won't also be disrupted eventually. It's sort of happening already, with people voluntarily deciding to not use music in th…

Anecdotally, I think it's here. Tiktok is wildly popular and more informative these days. Having to fit a concept in 3 mins doesn't allow for nuance, but that aside, it's condensed and exactly the type the younger generation seems to prefer.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by jonny_eh »

hermitdev wrote: post #118
jazzyjackson wrote: post #9

This mentions something that has always irked me, YouTube trying to be informative about who the music is licensed by. For one, it's completely useless on classical piano music because the Content ID algo finds similarity in a dozen different recordings. But even when there is one canonical recording, such as Rick Astley's Never Gonna Give You Up, I'm informed that the music is licensed by: (on behalf of Sony BMG Mus…

> What is happening here? Music (and likely other media) is typically licensed for distribution regionally or nationally. What you're seeing here is probably the (unexhaustive) laundry list of different rights holders for various international markets. Remember region locking for DVDs? That wasn't (just) due to NSTC vs PAL.

> That wasn't (just) due to NSTC vs PAL

Correct, in fact most DVDs were encoded 480p and 24 fps, so they're neither NTSC nor PAL.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by sc11 »

Aerroon wrote: post #138
sc11 wrote: post #87

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Thankfully said EU law includes a part that it's forbidden to block content for copyright reasons if the copyright claim is invalid. It includes ways for NGOs and users to go after companies that overblock. How this will actually work in practice is unclear since it's obviously an impossible requirement but some NGOs like the German GFF are already collecting cases and are looking to take legal action (see e.g. https…

That requirement is there so that YouTube can't just block videos in Germany again. It's entirely there just to make sure that Google and other platforms must make a deal with the copyright holders. It's perpetuating the same garbage system and removes tools to fight back against it.

How does it force YouTube to make a deal? They could still block all copyrighted material that they didn't have a licence for, they're just not allowed to falsely block anything.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by alliao »

contravariant wrote: post #67
EvanAnderson wrote: post #52

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It's also galling that this recording was made under a copyright regime that granted substantially shorter federal copyright terms and required renewal to achieve the maximum term. Creators, at that time, knew "the deal" and accepted it. The intellectual commons has been (and is), literally, subject to "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further." scenarios. That shouldn't have ever been acceptable. Si…

Presumably we should look at all the good (?) Disney is doing with the money they've earned to truly appreciate why long dead artists should keep their copyright.

haven't you checked out their cruisers? they obviously need to do more to welcome the resurrection of walt disney the man himself in 2100. Preferably with world domination by then.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by sumedh »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #141
jchw wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it can be made clearer: YouTube fought the battle and lost. This is the compromise. Sure, they aren’t a scrappy little startup. Can anyone please propose what they’re supposed to do after losing the lawsuit?

Keep fighting.

Why should Google keep wasting money. If its that important then people can protest to change the laws.

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by puppet-master »

contravariant wrote: post #67
EvanAnderson wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also galling that this recording was made under a copyright regime that granted substantially shorter federal copyright terms and required renewal to achieve the maximum term. Creators, at that time, knew "the deal" and accepted it. The intellectual commons has been (and is), literally, subject to "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further." scenarios. That shouldn't have ever been acceptable. Si…

Presumably we should look at all the good (?) Disney is doing with the money they've earned to truly appreciate why long dead artists should keep their copyright.

Pulling their ads briefly from YouTube a few years back certainly achieved some good

Re: YouTube takes down the Ig Nobel show because of a 1914 recording

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

sumedh wrote: post #147
CamperBob2 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep fighting.

Why should Google keep wasting money. If its that important then people can protest to change the laws.

Is Google presently restrained from helping users to organise alternative legislation and general protest?
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