You just need to raise the bar to see the difference between those who will/won't and where their will to resist expires. For most people it's a pretty low bar and when it comes to paying your mortgage then most folk won't jeopardize their job.
Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
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Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#142Regardless of where you stand with this policy, you gotta give it some Kudos: It's a very efficient way to cleanse your entire bureaucracy of doubters. I can't think of another example where a democratic republic, which by definition includes a spectrum of opinions, has its whole bureaucratic hierarchy re-aligned with the ruling party's platform. Maybe this is due to the fact, that this is inherently undemocratic?
Vaccination is not a political position. Vaccines only work if a large majority of people are vaccinated and people who refuse to receive the shot are putting everyone else in danger. A basic function of a government is to protect public safety, and that is what a vaccine mandate does.
Not only did you come forward with a political position while stating that it isn't, you are also wrong about what the vacines do and do not protect. If vacines didn't protect the person taking them, there wouldn't be any use to them at all.
Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#143As a part-time libertarian, one of the frustrating parts of the pandemic has been discovering how many people need the nanny state to step to stop them punching themselves in the face. Near the start of the pandemic, I thought the most intrusive state powers would barely be needed. Why would you ever need to make a vaccine mandatory? What rational person would refuse a lifesaving medicine offered to them for free? We…
There are vaccines. Everyone that wants a vaccine already got it or can easily get it. People say they are extremely good at eliminate severe covid, that's what I got one myself. But at this point taking a vaccine or not is a personal decision. People are punching themselves in the face all the time, see obesity crisis for example. Should we ban hamburgers & fries next?
yes, if obesity were contagious.
Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#144Gosh, disturbing comment section for disturbing times. When experimental medical treatments become mandatory for illnesses that have a 99%+ survival rate, and there is absolutely NO LONG TERM safety data, some red flags should be raised. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jktvh6k0qys
What about the long term safety data on catching / surviving COVID itself? Long COVID seems to affect between 10-30% of people who catch COVID. Why do I never hear anti-vaxxers being concerned about that?
Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#145Regardless of where you stand with this policy, you gotta give it some Kudos: It's a very efficient way to cleanse your entire bureaucracy of doubters. I can't think of another example where a democratic republic, which by definition includes a spectrum of opinions, has its whole bureaucratic hierarchy re-aligned with the ruling party's platform. Maybe this is due to the fact, that this is inherently undemocratic?
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is just a talking point coming from people who don't want to get the vaccination. Those people who don't want to get the vaccination largely exist because of misinformation, not because of any real risk (read: very very very very minimal risk) that comes with taking the Covid vaccine. Everyone (who can) should take the covid vaccine, regardless of their antibody status.
Isn't the vaccination rate of healthcare worker only about 60%? If the reasons are strictly misinformation, then it seems you have an almost 40% chance of getting an incompetent healthcare professional. In my mind, that suggests there are rational and reasonable reasons, since I find that more likely than 40% being blatantly incompetent.
96% of practicing physicians are fully vaccinated [1]. That number goes way down as you look at nursing home aids, nurses, and home aids. If the argument is that healthcare workers not taking it makes it rational and reasonable, you need to contend with the fact that the more educated you are in medicine, the less hesitant you are.
It seems more likely that nurses and aids can't interprete dense medicalese or understand mRNA any better than the average person and are no less susceptible to misinformation than the average person. That doesn't make them incompetent at their jobs, which aren't about creating complex treatment plans using the latest and greatest medical research, but finding veins, delivering meds, scrubbing sores, changing bed pans etc.
Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_infection#By_dise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity Do not think in terms of "your vaccine," because vaccines are about preventing the spread of a disease within a population.
That’s interesting. Every other vaccine, like Hep A, Hep B, MMR, TDAP, and flu I’ve taken was to protect myself, or so I thought. But if someone with an account on Wikipedia wrote something, well, I guess that would change everything. I guess we’re lucky to have people who care so deeply and personally about hospital bed utilization rates that they will inflict as much punishment as necessary to meet those goals.
Every other vaccine you have received was meant to protect the population you live in (which includes yourself); sorry, but you thought wrong.
As for hospital bed utilization, maybe you would be less dismissive if you took a trip to Idaho and got into a car accident:
https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/news/idaho-activates-cris...
Broken arm? Not life-threatening, here's some pain killers, go away and let us deal with these COVID patients.
Or maybe, "This one has less than a 10% chance of survival. Let him die, we need to focus on saving people who are more likely to make it."
Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#148Isn't this an unnecessary medical procedure for people who have already recovered?
Yes, mostly. Prior immunity needs to be considered.
Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#149Socialists will fill Christian slots in the deep state.
Re: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Vaccination is not a political position. Vaccines only work if a large majority of people are vaccinated and people who refuse to receive the shot are putting everyone else in danger. A basic function of a government is to protect public safety, and that is what a vaccine mandate does.
Not only did you come forward with a political position while stating that it isn't, you are also wrong about what the vacines do and do not protect. If vacines didn't protect the person taking them, there wouldn't be any use to them at all.
For comparison the flu shot prevents infection in about 60% of people who receive it. The point is not to prevent infection in every single person who receives the shot, it is to prevent infection in or transmission from enough people that the virus will not spread from person to person.
Vaccination is not a political position in the US. We require children to receive numerous vaccines from infancy onward and that policy is broadly supported across the political spectrum, and has been for generations now. Where are all those political debates about the polio vaccine, or MMR, or hep B etc.? All I hear are crickets...