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Re: Nobel scientist's deletion from Wikipedia points to wider bias

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That's not the definition of notability used by Wikipedia.

That's the point of all of this isn't it? Wikipedia's standard/definition of notability, or their method for determining it, is broken.

At the same time, you can't expect Wiki editors to be expert in all cutting-edge domain of knowledge to be able to determine which academics are or aren't notable.

Re: Nobel scientist's deletion from Wikipedia points to wider bias

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Are typos that common? I recall there are at least some bots or human-assisted bots that clean those up. I didn’t mean to imply it’s hard. Just that the default way to create an article is to use AfC for someone new to WP. It’s not surprising that someone used that because it is pushed really hard. That is, it’s easy to bypass, but the fact that they picked this method isn’t surprising. It’s like saying “Sure, you to…

Again: as an obstacle to articles about scientists, we're talking about something applies essentially only to the first article you create on the site.

I’m more pro-WP than anyone on this site. It’s just this part I take issue with:

> The author of the draft essentially asked for that not to happen, by using the AfC process.

That’s not fair. They were just using the default flow for new users. They didn’t “essentially ask” anything.

Re: Nobel scientist's deletion from Wikipedia points to wider bias

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Again: as an obstacle to articles about scientists, we're talking about something applies essentially only to the first article you create on the site.

I’m more pro-WP than anyone on this site. It’s just this part I take issue with: > The author of the draft essentially asked for that not to happen, by using the AfC process. That’s not fair. They were just using the default flow for new users. They didn’t “essentially ask” anything.

I could probably write that more precisely, though I stand by the gist of what I said. If we don't disagree about anything else, we can probably leave it at that: you have a valid point.

Re: Nobel scientist's deletion from Wikipedia points to wider bias

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I think some wikipedia editors (and editor brigades like "Philip Cross") are making a living from the activity you describe.

Absolutely. Wikipedia itself acknowledges the problem: Many Wikipedians have seen the effects that paid advocates can have on an article. These paid editors tend to make obviously biased edits, be very persistent, and are easily identifiable. But some of them are much more sophisticated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...

That's a fascinating link; thanks! I have the sense that we are glimpsing the iceberg above the waterline. It's only when these actors make apparently silly mistakes around perceptive people that they can even be detected. Another example would be the whole weird Mexican social media political conspiracy that "Reply All" covered a few years ago. [0] How many of these organizations are doing this? When we do somehow detect one, can we learn anything from that? It's possible that intentionally revealing "secrets" actually serves some secret purpose.

[0] https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/j4hl36/112-the-proph...

Re: Nobel scientist's deletion from Wikipedia points to wider bias

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m more pro-WP than anyone on this site. It’s just this part I take issue with: > The author of the draft essentially asked for that not to happen, by using the AfC process. That’s not fair. They were just using the default flow for new users. They didn’t “essentially ask” anything.

I could probably write that more precisely, though I stand by the gist of what I said. If we don't disagree about anything else, we can probably leave it at that: you have a valid point.

Fair enough. It wasn’t an overall disagreement. I’m content to let it go.

Re: Nobel scientist's deletion from Wikipedia points to wider bias

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I'm beating a dead horse here, but I want to repeat myself: you don't have to use the AfC process at all. You can just create a new Wikipedia article directly, without any admin review. You go through AfC because you choose to do so, not because Wikipedia has a whole complicated flowchart that gates which new articles can be created. Before Donna Strickland was awarded her Nobel, nobody opted to do this. So the real…

> I'm beating a dead horse here, but I want to repeat myself: you don't have to use the AfC process at all. You can just create a new Wikipedia article directly, without any admin review. You go through AfC because you choose to do so, not because Wikipedia has a whole complicated flowchart that gates which new articles can be created. It's a bit sad that so many commenters do not understand this basic fact. Looking…

...those teachers who in the early days of Wikipedia kept forbidding it as a source in school papers.

Wait, is it somehow not still forbidden for that use? What kind of clown show are these teachers suffering?

Re: Nobel scientist's deletion from Wikipedia points to wider bias

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Glad I got this entry in during the early days of wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Corrochio . It has been wittled down numerous times over the years but the skeleton of the man's life remains.

Is this page purely a Seinfeld reference?

I see you have flagged my wikipedia article. Yes it was a Seinfeld reference. I tried to tie it to the Seinfeld wiki page for that episode a couple of times but it was always halted.
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