America’s losing battle against diabetes • Hacker News Board

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by kyriakos » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #83

sithlord wrote: post #71

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Type 2 diabetes is also very much a genetic problem. Sure, being overweight may give you a more likely chance of seeing the issues arise (sooner that is)but I know plenty of people who are not overweight and have type 2 diabetes. If someone has the genetic disposition for Type 2 diabetes in younger, more fit people they are still extremely likely to start seeing the effects as they age and lose activity (even if they…

I wonder what percentage of people with T2D are normal weight, because my impression is it's not very many people at all.

Anecdotal but I know quite a few and they didn't lose weight after diagnosis but were already at a normal body mass from before. It's possible there are other factors at play like stress.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by collaborative » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

wombatmobile wrote: post #90

collaborative wrote: post #34

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Everyone talks about sugar. But the real problem is food culture (or the lack of). American, and now many European diets now consist of either fast food, oven-ready food or fried food. I recently went shopping and had a look at the "healthy" aisle. I could only find supposedly healthy food consisting of extremely savory dishes -carbonara, paella, etc. This is no way to eat healthy In many western countries, no one is…

You’re talking about processed food - anything that comes in a box, jar, or bottle. Those products all have brand names and each one has a product manager who wants to grow sales so they add sugar, salt, and fat to manipulate you into craving more. Healthy food is simple to understand - fresh vegetables, fresh fruits, nuts, grains, pulses, and meat. That’s it. It takes time to prepare and cook and the ingredients don…

See the meals I added in the edit. They are very simple, almost require no daily shopping. The only thing they require is hours of cooking, so your point is very valid. It's not just about sugar. We need to learn to enjoy to be in the kitchen. I have been stirring this lentil soup base for the part 20 mins (1 hour to go). It will be tasty! And simple

https://ibb.co/M5KVLTH

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by kyriakos » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:32 PM UTC

aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA wrote: post #139

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #54

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There's an inherited kind, an earned kind, and a "whoops, diabetes!" kind. My sister spent the first 36 years of her life without diabetes or symptoms of diabetes. 5'3", 130 pounds. Then she had her second child, and whatever happened during that time eradicated her ability to deal with sugar. She had been perfectly healthy aside from an ovarian cyst which was removed before she was pregnant with the second child. So…

Presumably she had gestational diabetes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestational_diabetes

Always thought that goes away after pregnancy is over

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by kyriakos » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:33 PM UTC

NonContro wrote: post #2

Easiest solution to diabetes: Sugar tax. Easiest solution to climate change: Carbon tax. If we havn't used these solutions, someone high up in the food chain is placing a greater emphasis on profits from the status quo instead of the wellbeing of the population.

Did it really stop smoking?

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by bwship » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:48 PM UTC

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #83

sithlord wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Type 2 diabetes is also very much a genetic problem. Sure, being overweight may give you a more likely chance of seeing the issues arise (sooner that is)but I know plenty of people who are not overweight and have type 2 diabetes. If someone has the genetic disposition for Type 2 diabetes in younger, more fit people they are still extremely likely to start seeing the effects as they age and lose activity (even if they…

I wonder what percentage of people with T2D are normal weight, because my impression is it's not very many people at all.

Anecdotally, my sister's kid just got diagnosed with it. He is not overweight whatsoever, but they put frickin' ketchup on everything. But, yea the majority might be overweight, but anyone that eats just carbs could get it.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by MisterBastahrd » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA wrote: post #139

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an inherited kind, an earned kind, and a "whoops, diabetes!" kind. My sister spent the first 36 years of her life without diabetes or symptoms of diabetes. 5'3", 130 pounds. Then she had her second child, and whatever happened during that time eradicated her ability to deal with sugar. She had been perfectly healthy aside from an ovarian cyst which was removed before she was pregnant with the second child. So…

Presumably she had gestational diabetes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestational_diabetes

She did have it, but then she her blood sugar levels returned to normal afterward. About a year later, her vision started getting blurry during a vacation trip and she did not feel well. It's at that point that she ended up with her diabetes.

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by bwship » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

NonContro wrote: post #2

Easiest solution to diabetes: Sugar tax. Easiest solution to climate change: Carbon tax. If we havn't used these solutions, someone high up in the food chain is placing a greater emphasis on profits from the status quo instead of the wellbeing of the population.

Don't you tax my big gulp!

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by ravenstine » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #98

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #41

The health care model in the US doesn't really help much on the matter, but this isn't a battle against diabetes, diabetes is just the result of an overweight population with bad dietary habits. There is the inherited kind, and then there is the "earned" kind. One is genetically unavoidable, the other is mostly preventable. It is not even the food, or fats, or carbs, or sugars, it's too many calories over extended ti…

> The body has ok ish prevention systems when it comes to food via ghrelin feedback loop and stomach size, but the body cannot cope with too much fast absorbed fluid calories. Perhaps you mean leptin ? Ghrelin is for hunger while leptin is for satiety, so the latter is really more the limiting factory.

lol factor, not factory. woops

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by marcusverus » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #74

Let's stop pretending we care about diabetes. All the time an article like this gets trotted out and life goes on the minute the world has stopped reading it. If we cared, we'd address the culture that is making us miserable. We can try to address diabetes, obesity, depression, and suicide by passing bills and popping pills, but it doesn't actually address anything. People are miserable whether they know it conscious…

A spiritual malaise may contribute to the problem, but economic stagnation would appear to be an unlikely contributor, given that societies get fatter as they grow more affluent, as a rule.[0]

From the study: "Population obesity prevalence exhibits a positive relationship with national income and there is no evidence that the relationship, while weakening, actually turns negative at higher income levels (“obesity Kuznets curve”)."

and: "In terms of the strength of the income-obesity relationship across our analyzed countries, we find that a 1% increase in per capita income was on average associated with a 1.23% and a 1.01% increase in the prevalence of obesity among adult males and females, respectively."

[0]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Re: America’s losing battle against diabetes

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Post by smorgusofborg » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

bwship wrote: post #145

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #83

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I wonder what percentage of people with T2D are normal weight, because my impression is it's not very many people at all.

Anecdotally, my sister's kid just got diagnosed with it. He is not overweight whatsoever, but they put frickin' ketchup on everything. But, yea the majority might be overweight, but anyone that eats just carbs could get it.

What about exercise though? I think a lot of people discount exercise because no one exercises enough to take off the correlating weight, but any kid who doesn't ever hit aerobic exercise must have correlated cardiac risks and any kid who never walks distances probably has risks of odd insulin and inflammation issues. When I was a kid, kids of all weights seemed to eat only processed garbage, and most parents were oblivious or thought it wasn't worth the strife, but exercise was unavoidable. Today, I notice walking strongly reduces my appetite.