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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by thatswrong0 »

evgen wrote: post #106
yesimahuman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to just…

> As a long-time 1password shill I have hit my limit and will slowly start migrating to BitWarden

Bitwarden's desktop app is built on Electron..

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by aborsy »

vishnugupta wrote: post #17

I know what 1Password is but haven't used it. Are there advantages of using it over Apple's built in keychain? Would appreciate if someone who has used/uses 1Password could comment on this.

Keychain is not quite a password manager.

It has a field for user name and password, both mandatory.

A password manager offers a lot more, including a field for notes or credit card numbers.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Shihan »

Switched to KeePass when they introduced the subscription model. I believe the only app that I tolerate as subscription is Lightroom CC. I want to minimise subscriptions because otherwise it is 5$ here, 10$ there and at the end it can be a surprising amount I have to pay each year. But yes, for some apps it may be worth it, but for 1Password I found suitable alternatives.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by yssrn »

yesimahuman wrote: post #68
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

A password manager doesn't need frequent updates. Instead, the priorities should be reliability, UX responsiveness, and light resource usage.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by dang »

Ongoing and related: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28143563

Recent and related: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28104134 - Aug 2021 (215 comments)

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by smnrchrds »

dangus wrote: post #128
smnrchrds wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will run the installed version of YNAB as long as it runs on my computer, and after that I'll probably run in in a virtual machine until the end of time. I am not comfortable with my financial information being on the cloud in the hands of a third party, much less so when it is not the likes of Google and Apple with armies of security engineers and can be hacked much more easily.

Your bank is already a third party with its hands on your financial information, likely stored "in the cloud." Check out Chase's privacy policy as an example: https://www.chase.com/digital/resources/privacy-security/pri... A number of information sharing activities cannot be limited. This is typical of any bank or financial institution. Your bank has its own vendors, many of them are themselves SaaS and cloud hosted!…

The problem with YNAB is that,

A) They will have all of your financial information, as opposed to banks that will each get a slice. So the data they have is much more sensitive.

B) YNAB has around 100 employees in total. They do not have the resources to secure their data the way big banks do. We all have our doubts about security at big banks, but I am sure small startups are way worse.

C) It was all unnecessary for YNAB to go online. The decision, much like 1Password's was about money, not clients. I cannot live in this day and age without a bank account. I can live with an old version of YNAB. Heck, I can live even without YNAB. If banks are necessary evil, YNAB is an unnecessary one. Why increase your attack surface with unnecessary stuff, just because there is some necessary attack surface remaining?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by judge2020 »

dylan604 wrote: post #138
judge2020 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/ I'd only recommend LastPass if you're a fan of LogMeIn, Ltd. and only being able to see your passwords either on Desktop or Mobile (on the free version).

Sorry, but where else other than Desktop or Mobile are there to view data?

I mean you can only view your passwords on mobile, OR you can only view your passwords on desktop. On the free version, you can't be signed into both desktop and mobile at the same time, and you can only switch 3 times.

https://support.logmeininc.com/lastpass/help/what-can-i-expe...

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by berdon »

donohoe wrote: post #134

I love 1Password but the subscription-only path doesn't sit well with me. They're intentionally removing key features so they can justify providing a service that I can do myself. I'm increasingly sick of good standalone software suddenly moving to this model. They are a business, I get it. However how many subscriptions are we going to have to end up with? I get it with Slack, Dropbox, Github, etc as they all starte…

I agree with these sentiments. I love 1Password and pay for a subscription. But this post is simply trying to gussy up their subscription-only move for maximizing MRR. Call it what it is - don't lie about it by saying you're only doing it because "everyone loves our monthly subscription service".

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by pushrax »

mfer wrote: post #99
nightski wrote: post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

What caused me to not consider Bitwarden was the way it handled iframes. It could send the parent sites credentials to an iframe even if the iframe was on a different domain. This is a big no-no in my book. This was a discovery in a security review they did and choose not to change. This was some time ago so things may have changed. But, that red flag kept me away.

Most likely because credit card forms are very often served in iframes. 1Password fills iframes too (though maybe only for cards, not sure).

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by superasn »

nightski wrote: post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

Yes it has been a breeze to switch to it, especially with their native import of Lastpass logins.

Lastpass frequently messed up the autologin and injected a lot of ugly css/html in the forms which Bitwarden doesn't.

Also it works really well as a chrome extension with Kiwi browser on Android.

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