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Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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Me too, but we are privileged to choose a job according to our preferences. Meanwhile, there are many people for whom it is way harder to find a better job in their life circumstances / places they live. Losing it can easily ruin their lives.

Yeah, I'm definitely aware it's a luxury to be able to turn down jobs and that this sector-specific good job market isn't going to last forever either. I really think we should ban drug testing in the vast majority of cases to protect people who are less fortunate from the ridiculous puritan corporate culture many places adopt. I can see a case for it in roles where heavy machinery or other potentially deadly outcome…

Even the thin veil of "heavy machinery" isn't really enough: Your average factory worker deals with "heavy machinery" and trash compactors, commonly used in retail for boxes, are the same. Folks employed in these positions in other countries don't have drug tests and do not have bad safety records, so the danger isn't as high as the employer makes it out to be. I think employers should prove that there is either a federal mandate for drug testing the position OR that drug use, even outside of work, affects work.

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Nevertheless it is rather easy to tell them apart. Hard drugs quickly cause heavy addiction in almost everybody who tries them, destroy their health and can even kill them easily. Psilocybin does not, it can actually be used to improve neural health and cure addictions (just search it here on HN, there are many papers to reference). There are things which are hard to define precisely nevertheless easy to distinguish…

I guess we can consider alcohol a hard drug then. Time to make it illegal? I don't know anybody who uses it responsibly, therefore those people don't exist right?

I know many people who use alcohol responsibly and even people who use meth responsibly (it's great for heavy ADHD if you have enough willpower to only use tiny doses occasionally) but I seriously doubt there are many who use crack responsibly.

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Just look at the suicides if you aren't buying it....I won't pretend to know what those officers experienced. But when officers are saying they view the actions of their leaders as disgraceful, and talk about a feeling of abandonment, then just maybe we should believe what they say? Or continue to ignore their complaints.

Leader abandonment is hardly unique to that job. The conclusion of many Portland and similar officers was to retire, change job types, or change job locations - not suicide. When facts don't add up I tend to conclude that there either are missing facts or some of the purported facts aren't actually facts.

"Do the research!", or how does it go?

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I guess we can consider alcohol a hard drug then. Time to make it illegal? I don't know anybody who uses it responsibly, therefore those people don't exist right?

I know many people who use alcohol responsibly and even people who use meth responsibly (it's great for heavy ADHD if you have enough willpower to only use tiny doses occasionally) but I seriously doubt there are many who use crack responsibly.

Believe it or not I have met people who use cocaine, in both salt and base (crack) forms, responsibly. Just because you don't know them doesn't mean they don't exist. Same with methamphetamine and heroin.

Do you think Dr. Carl Hart uses heroin irresponsibly? You may want to look him up.

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A multitude more deaths caused by BLM protests. It wasn’t the rosy portrayal the TV showed you. And many people are still living in fear, not knowing when a BLM protest might come burn down their home.

Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters. First, police made arrests in 5% of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5% of these events. Pr…

The people who wrote this report are activists sympathizing with the BLM movement, just look at the names and their social media presence. It's basically propaganda, twisting and omitting inconvenient facts.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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>Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time. The criminal community?

It's your lucky day for learning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_patrol

Downvoters can't handle the truth: modern police evolved from slave patrols. Modern abuses towards African-Americans evolved from traditional abuses towards slaves. Modern police techniques which attack the protesting public evolved from lynch mobs which attacked individual protestors.

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totally off topic, but as a European reader I'm getting the following message on that website: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in your country. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to your market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism. Come…

I am from the EU and more like GDPR (assuming it's even that and not e.g. licensing like BBC Global) than not but I think it's totally fair in general for companies to not provide their services to places where the local laws don't suit them.

Sure. But then they can frigging say so, can't they?

"Sorry, we ain't gonna" is one thing, whereas "Just a sec, your custom is important to us!", three years afterwards is just utter fucking bullshit. Companies are free to ignore my custom, but not to serve me bullshit.

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By what mechanism, exactly, does this occur? What causes different races to commit crimes at different rates? It can't be genetic, since there's not actually any genetic markers which distinguish races (race is an illusion); so, what caused it? The standard historical answer is that our society caused it, not just with slavery, but with redlining, ghettos, and voter suppression.

When you are about to get mugged or murdered, it doesn't matter what caused it. You just don't want to be murdered. I can feel pity with people whose life circumstances turned them into criminals, but I have no immediate way to help them and I still don't want them to murder me. Black people are also a part of society, they are not just passive participants, by the way. I have read a bit about the situation in the UK…

You created an account just to post a story about how you're scared of black people. Boring.

Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide

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By what mechanism, exactly, does this occur? What causes different races to commit crimes at different rates? It can't be genetic, since there's not actually any genetic markers which distinguish races (race is an illusion); so, what caused it? The standard historical answer is that our society caused it, not just with slavery, but with redlining, ghettos, and voter suppression.

> What causes different races to commit crimes at different rates? It's about culture, choices you make and choices that are available to you (in ghetto, you may have no choice). The most memorable photo for me when those discussions appear: https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/127081025725892198...

I didn't want a wishy-washy "this says a lot about society" image macro. I wanted a concrete explanation.

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When you are about to get mugged or murdered, it doesn't matter what caused it. You just don't want to be murdered. I can feel pity with people whose life circumstances turned them into criminals, but I have no immediate way to help them and I still don't want them to murder me. Black people are also a part of society, they are not just passive participants, by the way. I have read a bit about the situation in the UK…

You created an account just to post a story about how you're scared of black people. Boring.

Your only reply is an ad hominem and misrepresentation of what I said. It is not about being scared of black people.

It wasn't the subject, but if anything, it seems black people are scared of white people. Isn't that what BLM is all about? It is literally about Black people being scared of being shot by white policemen.

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