Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

iDOS 2 will be gone soon

litchie.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 419 posts

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#141

Post by flohofwoe »

pibechorro wrote: post #124
freakynit wrote: post #122

That's fcking my mobile. I paid for it. I own it. If I want to install something on my owned device, who the f is Apple to stop it? Think about it this way: A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way. Or architects telling it to only build their HQ's a certain way. Not as an advice, but, enforced. How ridiculous is that!

Apple has always been like this. Better hope they dont decide to throttle down your current hardware when they release a thinner one next year and deem yours obsolete.

This only started with the iPhone. Apple has been around much longer and was a regular computer company before which treated their users like adults.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#142

Post by [deleted] »

ericmay wrote: post #126
user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

If you want to do whatever to your phone there are already lots of options. I’m not sure what a law is going to do here that you can’t already do today.

[deleted]

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#143

Post by southerntofu »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #111
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Apple needs a pool of talented developers to build apps on their platform. And to hire from.

The noughties dream of 'digital natives' has not ever come to fruition. Children growing up around technology has not brought great understanding of computing/creating software, instead it has driven a race to the bottom for passive apps, with predatory attention grabbing mechanics.

Well it has to some extent, but that's the minority seeing through the matrix. Just yesterday, i was reading here on HN about someone who learned how to make websites using just a smartphone! I can't say i wasn't impressed.

Also worth noting, we can still realize our dreams of digital natives around us. Build academies, hackerspaces and whatever kind of non-profit entity/space will enable you to teach hacking to uninitiated folks.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#144

Post by Synaesthesia »

roody15 wrote: post #123

Sad… I played Kings Quest VI on an ipad with this emulator and it workers great. Why does Apple even care if a few people play some old abandonware on an ipad?

Well ... Exactly! I don't understand the rules or ehy it had to be removed. What about Pythonista and apps that let me code on my iPad? Don't they also "execute code"?

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#146

Post by kwdc »

roody15 wrote: post #123

Sad… I played Kings Quest VI on an ipad with this emulator and it workers great. Why does Apple even care if a few people play some old abandonware on an ipad?

No ability to get a cut of those gaming dollars. Games were specifically listed in the app review email from Apple.

A side aspect is running afoul of copyright and that is likely the other significant money spinner / target.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#147

Post by xerox13ster »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

We had a third option but developers very publicly refused to support it and Google worked tirelessly to hamstring it in every way they could.

Now we're all crying for a third platform because Apple is too restrictive and Google, surprise (to no one least of all WP users), turned out to be evil and I feel absolutely no sympathy for the tech community, particularly developers who decry the current paradigm. We chose this.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#148

Post by TomAnthony »

tgv wrote: post #127
user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

I'm totally opposed. My parents (who are rather old) use an iPhone and iPad, and I'm happy they have no option to fuck things up more than they already do. If you're talking about "freedom": nobody forces you to buy Apple.

I agree - I'd also be opposed. I understand why it frustrates people (especially in the cases such as iDOS 2), but it was a known factor for me buying an Apple phone. More importantly, it was an aspect of the ecosystem that I _wanted_.

On Android the Play Store is a major distributor of malware [1]. I would like to avoid that, which comes with trade-offs, which I accept. Is it perfect? No. But it works.

I do wonder if there is a path where iOS can be completely replaced by a third party OS, so iPhones can be used in a way to allow you to install anything you want, but it is no longer Apple's 'responsibility'. However, that also comes with its own set of problems.

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/play-store-identified-as-main-...

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#149

Post by LucidLynx »

pjmlp wrote: post #139
LucidLynx wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swift Playground is listed in the App Store... So no, Apple apps listed in the App Store must follow their rules. I checked quickly in the guide and no mention of "Me, Apple, can do whatever I want in my store."

Here is an exercise, when a police patrol car gets parked in 2nd lane, and the officier happens to buying some stuff on a nearby shop, go there and tell them nicely that 2nd lane parking is against the traffic laws and they should fine themselves. Broken analogy? Apple is the police of Apple store.

Broken (and terrible) analogy as police does not have the right to do that...

I don't know what you wanted to demonstrate but, sorry, you failed :/

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#150

Post by codetrotter »

LucidLynx wrote: post #136
codetrotter wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no contradiction here. The App Store rules apply to everyone else wanting to publish something on the App Store. Obviously Apple has its own internal rules for what their own software can do.

Swift Playground is listed in the App Store... So no, Apple apps listed in the App Store must follow their rules. I checked quickly in the guide and no mention of "Me, Apple, can do whatever I want in my store."

Apple doesn’t need to say in the rules that they can do what they want, because they are the ones enforcing the rules. They can exempt anyone, including themselves, from the rules for any reason including no reason, without having to say anything about that in the rules. Human rules are not computer code, and also not mathematical. Human rules can be interpreted, bent and ignored. Sometimes at great risk, sometimes at no risk.
Post reply on HN