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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by jborichevskiy »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #60
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of marijuana smokers like to pretend weed smoke is somehow less harmful than any other smoke. It's still CO whether it comes from the tobacco or hemp plant. It's still bad and creates a tar residue in your lungs. Any time I bring that up, somehow I become anti-pot even though it's a genuine concern. Edit: Carbon Monoxide, not Carbon Dioxide. And some additions since this is a tad controversial. Here is one sour…

I won't say it's harmless, but there are material differences. Weed is an expectorant. That's why it makes you cough. So it also tends to promote the lung functions that help clean the gunk out, at least partially. Nicotine and the additives in cigarettes on the other hand suppresses these same functions. And lastly, pot smokers don't smoke nearly the same volume as tobacco smokers. So no, it's not harmless, but it i…

Also more transparency and a more limited toxic ingredient list in a typical joint than a cigarette. But yes, smoking weed isn't harmless.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by oblib »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

I could certainly be accused of haughtiness when someone made a snide remark about me using marijuana. This is because I got fed up with arrogant people shitting on me when they found out I use it.

In my experience it is those who love to flout their sense of superiority by shitting on users who are arrogant. But shit can flow both ways and when I'd point out that they too use "drugs" they'd get very defensive.

Back in the 80s my cocaine using friends loved shitting on weed users. "It makes you dumb" was one of their favorite cut downs.

My alcohol drinking friends who didn't smoke weed loved to cast the aspersion that weed smokers were "drug users". When I started pointing out that alcohol was a drug too they all very loudly denied it because couldn't stand the idea that they were "drug users" too.

And along with and within those two groups are those who do prescription drugs. It was pretty strange to be accused of being a "drug user" by people taking codeine and Xanax and Quaaludes, ect.

When I pointed out the serious side effects of alcohol, both personal and to our society at large as compared to weed smokers they started shutting up about that when talking to me.

Since Colorado legalized it those kinds of encounters have been far less common, and I've certainly appreciated it. And because of that I'd probably be far less likely to be accused of being arrogant nowadays.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by sarsway »

lrdswrk00 wrote: post #111
Ccecil wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is entirely possible that this is a misunderstanding of their true feelings or intents. To quote Kat Williams "Weed has a chemical in it called F*k it..." Maybe when they use they are not having the same anxious feeling that the general public feels and they do not react to others who otherwise might be perceived as "more important" than them. This would appear to the person who typically views themselves as "more…

Daily toker and edible eater; I’m high now. Hit the bong and a cartridge multiple times. I’ve also successfully upgraded large chunks of my employers infra code; tests green, deploys green. It’s no different than coffee to me at this point; I figured out working with those jitters and anxiety. I even saw shimmering with caffeine I’ve never seen on THC. I’m pretty sure a whole lot of the behavior is just subculture st…

Don't you feel it makes you a bit more stupid? For me, as soon as it becomes a daily habit for more then 2 weeks, the negative sides start to outweigh the benefits. It really does mess with short term memory, they say an average person can remember 9 things at once, and I'm pretty sure weed drastically reduces that. To the point where people in conversations will actually notice you can't remember well what you just talked about 5 minutes ago and might think you're a bit stupid. For coding it makes monotonous tasks more bearable, but I often lose context when tackling more complicated problems.

I mean I still love weed, but everyday / all day just isn't that great. All good things in moderation.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by jborichevskiy »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #39
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of marijuana smokers like to pretend weed smoke is somehow less harmful than any other smoke. It's still CO whether it comes from the tobacco or hemp plant. It's still bad and creates a tar residue in your lungs. Any time I bring that up, somehow I become anti-pot even though it's a genuine concern. Edit: Carbon Monoxide, not Carbon Dioxide. And some additions since this is a tad controversial. Here is one sour…

And that is why engineers created the vaporizer.

Eh, there's also popcorn lung to worry about. Think the research is still out on this one.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by cwkoss »

anxiousanon wrote: post #106
hart_russell wrote: post #7

I think it's too common a sentiment that psychoactive substances like cannabis and psilocybin are harmless and in fact are good for mental health. I've had adverse mental reactions to both and I would caution people with family history of anxiety.

Just as a counter-anecdote. There's depression and anxiety in my family tree, and it has caught up to me too in the last year. Among other remedies, I've experimented with small doses of edibles (they are legal where I live). I don't particularly enjoy the high, but for me it does take the edge off the worst times, without side effects. It lets me at least relax/sleep. (It kind of takes the edge off everything , whic…

Thats kind of a funny analogy - most cough suppressant drugs are either opiates or disassociative - either of which have history of recreational use as well.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

morpheos137 wrote: post #61
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of marijuana smokers like to pretend weed smoke is somehow less harmful than any other smoke. It's still CO whether it comes from the tobacco or hemp plant. It's still bad and creates a tar residue in your lungs. Any time I bring that up, somehow I become anti-pot even though it's a genuine concern. Edit: Carbon Monoxide, not Carbon Dioxide. And some additions since this is a tad controversial. Here is one sour…

CO also in weed smoke is a hell of a lot more harmful than CO2.

I think the evidence of the amount of replies arguing against my comment above goes to show the amount of people that still think weed smoke vs tobacco smoke is still a legitimate argument against "weed smoke is bad for your lungs." It's really funny to see these universally come out of the woodwork every single time this gets brought up.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by howmayiannoyyou »

I suffer from severe restless legs, largely treatment resistant unless I acquiesce to opioids. MJ is the only substance that provides me relief during the worst times - and it takes a LOT to get the effect. Weighing the risks, I am firmly on the side of MJ - at least my 'rescue drug'.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by GordonS »

bilekas wrote: post #42
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

You've hit the nail on the head with my experience. I have noticed this with a brother who smoke daily.. I never really put it down to the marijuana use entirely, but more of an aversion to any kind of confrontation/disagreement that might make him second guess himself etc. Personally I can't smoke it anymore, I get super anxious now and nervous. I don't enjoy it, but I can see why some people who enjoy it would rath…

> Personally I can't smoke it anymore, I get super anxious now and nervous

I've heard so many people say the same thing, that they used to enjoy using cannabis, then some years later they find it induces anxiety, jitters and nervousness - I wonder what the mechanism behind this anxiety is?

Is it as simple as "modern" cannabis strains having much THC than older ones, or is it something else, possibly age-related, like thyroid hormones?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by sodafountan »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

I'm not a psychologist, but I think narcissism and self-importance simply stem from a small world view.

If your main hobby/recreational activity in life is smoking weed (certainly not judging anyone) then you'll likely only associate with people who enjoy the same things, if anyone at all.

This leads to a very narrow world-view where you're the center of that world. Going out and meeting people, doing different activities, taking on new jobs and roles, going to school and getting an education all really help to humble people and make people realize that most of us are all very similar in our pursuit of happiness.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by wutbrodo »

macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

Yea, this is a very bizarre framing. I understand that researchers hypothesize that a Marijuana-driven causal link is possible, but theres a well-established, strong causal effect in the other direction that first needs to be controlled for. In that light, the statistic is framed very dishonestly in the article.

(Though perhaps dishonesty isn't the correct word to use here: I don't have a high prior on the journalist even understanding this complaint)

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