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Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by adolph »

cratermoon wrote: post #10
Saint_Genet wrote: post #2

If you think people are held back from tweeting by anxiety, how would you ever come to the conclusion that videos are the solution?

Yeah this explanation smells. Reading between the lines, I'd say that twitter fell prey to a couple of bad predictions. The widely-maligned "pivot to video" that ended up being based on FB fudging the numbers for how much engagement video got, and the idea that duplicating the success of IG or TikTok is just about enabling 30 second video snippets.

Vine was an American social networking short-form video hosting service where users could share six-second-long, looping video clips. It was founded in June 2012; American microblogging website Twitter acquired it in October 2012, before its official release on January 24, 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine_(service)

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by rconti »

tsimionescu wrote: post #94

Is Twitter actually used outside the US? Here in Romania, where we rputinely import most aspects of US culture, it's almost entirely outside popular consciousness. Politicians and stars are certainly not using it - they're on Facebook and Instagram, and YT or Spotify for music. How is it in the rest of the world?

As an American working in tech, I know there are other tech folks on Twitter, but it feels like it's primarily used by celebrities, politicians, academics, and journalists.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by adolph »

andy_ppp wrote: post #79
rmetzler wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really asking, why Twitter doesn’t allow to edit tweets after publishing them? I think this is a feature, it means you can’t change what you wrote. If this would be possible after you get responses, you could change the meaning of these responses.

If you use your imagination you can still edit tweets and also have them be immutable. Loads of systems have an edit history or alternatively just a means to delete and recreate a tweet in the first 5 minutes after publication. There are probably other even better ways to solve this.

Or you could clone HN with a single-threaded UI.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by yodelshady »

My resistance to tweeting is a) even 280 characters isn't even for almost any useful content, b) hate mobs.

Put simply: if you wanted the most intelligent view that opposed yours on a subject, would you ever use Twitter?

I humbly suggest social media could work better, based on a variant of reddit's "place" pixel art stunt:

1) you post freely and anonymously, but others can hide your post freely and anonymously as well.

2) if you want to restore your post, just click a button to do so. No one individual could hide a post twice.

3) if it's hidden again, you'll have to retype it. My bet is - most low-effort trolling won't go this far, but those who strongly believe in a controversial opinion will.

4) maybe escalate further with time delays, CAPTCHAs, etc - but ultimately, if you're definitely human and you really care, the post's visibility should become immutable.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by leviathant »

camyule wrote: post #112
cameronh90 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am careful but Twitter still shows tweets that people I'm following have liked. And they always seem to be the most enraging tweets (presumably with great engagement). Basically I want my Twitter to be a politics-free zone, but I can't help it if some of the people I follow occasionally like political tweets. Also, today it has been sending me a push notification to the same race politics tweet repeatedly even afte…

Switch to “latest” view instead of “home” and you receive a chronological timeline without seeing the liked tweets. I can’t imagine using Twitter without this. See the instructions on how to switch on this Twitter support article: https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-timeline

Yes! I forgot to include this particular step.

I've heard that viewing Twitter exclusively through the Lists feature also removes a bunch of cruft, but things aren't so bad for me that I've had to try that out.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by leviathant »

markdown wrote: post #122
leviathant wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be selective in who you follow, and if you're following someone who shares interesting thoughts but retweets too much, you can turn off their retweets. That in combination with being judicious on the block button makes Twitter one of my favorite social networks.

> you can turn off their retweets. How does one do this?

Navigate to the profile of the account you'd like to stop seeing retweets from. Click the circular icon with three horizontal dots to the right of their profile picture. Select the first option in this menu labeled "Turn off Retweets."

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #65
thallavajhula wrote: post #5

Twitter is great when it comes to transparency. I love how they included this >Although we built Fleets to address some of the anxieties that hold people back from Tweeting, Fleets are mostly used by people who are already Tweeting to amplify their own Tweets and talk directly with others. We’ll explore more ways to address what holds people back from participating on Twitter. And for the people who already are Tweet…

Yeah I actually really respect that they axed something within a timely span, posted about their thoughts, and well, lately the Twitter team has been killing it as far as deploying features and long talked about stuff, so it's all good. The idea of Fleets, whether it was inspired by Stories etc, was another way to engage users and it did have some usefulness. I love the 24hr disappearing thing on IG and I liked it si…

The glaring omission is a time limited typo edit window. Just ducking ship it already.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by josephorjoe »

ruined wrote: post #90
mdoms wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps people are anxious about tweeting because a single tweet can ruin your life?

tweets can't ruin your life any more than talking out loud anywhere else. the long searchable record is certainly convenient for digging dirt, but public speech is public speech.

your first point (tweeting is as safe as talking) is entirely invalidated by your second (long searchable record helps find statements to criticize people for)

as for your third point, undocumented public speech (no audio or video recordings and no effective note taking) is vastly different from creating public documents (anything on the open internet).

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by salt-thrower »

ruined wrote: post #139
fullshark wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy to find "bad tweets", easy to immediately publicize the "bad tweets" to the entire planet almost instantly, easy to have it trusted that the bad thing was said as the twitter timestamp exists and a bunch of trusted people talking about a screenshot if you delete it confirms it's genuine, not to mention most people don't use twitter imaging themselves giving a rehearsed speech in a public square, merely as a way…

>most people don't use twitter [imagining?] themselves giving a rehearsed speech in a public square, merely as a way to share their amusing thoughts to the planet for some immediate validation and there's the problem. like any tool, speech is dangerous if you don't respect its power and follow some basic safety rules.

Yup. I mentioned this in another comment but one of the key problems is the discrepancy between the impact tweets really have, and the ease with which Twitter allows you to post them.

Any social media is designed to maximize engagement, so there is almost no friction between "I have a thought and I want validation for it" and hitting that submit button.

In reality, you should think of a tweet like submitting an article to the New York Times op-ed section with your full name and face attached to it. It has the potential to be there forever, and for people to judge you based on it for the rest of your professional life. So tread carefully.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by papito »

par wrote: post #4

> Although we built Fleets to address some of the anxieties that hold people back from Tweeting, Fleets are mostly used by people who are already Tweeting to amplify their own Tweets this is exactly my problem with Twitter. It's an even bigger echo chamber than FB. As much as I try, I can't seem to escape the oversaturated bubble of a handful of extremely loud mouthed tweeters and their ardent followers. Mix in the t…

I don't understand how it's even usable if you follow hundreds, let alone thousands of people.
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