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Re: Firefox 90

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Post by bennysomething »

bergheim wrote: post #122

I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

How is big tech "stifling everything". Big tech has provided the amazing hardware advances over the last few decades. Amazon Google and Microsoft provide amazing platforms that make it way easier for anyone to boostrap a scalable business. I no longer use Chrome, I just prefer Firefox but at the very least chrome gave browsers the kick up the back side they needed, mainly through V8 giving us JavaScript that runs fast. Also I'm pretty certain Google fund a lot of Firefox Dev.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by brynjolf »

metalliqaz wrote: post #70
akho wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tab bar is functionally useless if you have > 10 tabs open, so I don't even know why I'd notice. Aesthetically, it's fine for me. Option to hide it completely (replacing with a mobile-style full-screen modal view with properly sized previews and keyboard navigation / fuzzy finding if you allow me to dream) would be nice.

I started using Tree Style Tab to manage them, and I like that very much. I agree, a mobile-style manager would be interesting.

Window management is still horrible in Firefox, meaning if I want to close all Hacker news tabs in all open windows no add on seems to handle it properly. Chrome has added built in search of tabs across windows though, would love the same for Firefox

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by walrus01 »

bergheim wrote: post #122

I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

the future is a walled garden stepping on a face, forever.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by fabrice_d »

411111111111111 wrote: post #129
bergheim wrote: post #122

I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

Just remember that Mozilla gets over 90% of its revenue from Google.

Also remember that at the same time Google did everything they could to make sure Firefox market share would be as low as possible.

See https://twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871231792455686 and the billions spent in Chrome marketing, bundling with other software, and the free ads on Google properties.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by ukyrgf »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #58

Background updates! Hooray! That may sound like a basic table stakes feature but honestly it's a huge improvement. And a lot of other apps do a terrible job of it, particularly on Windows. It's remarkable how many apps require 8, 10 mouse clicks and a restart to install a minor update. Firefox didn't require any clicks but the nag / need to restart was a nuisance. Actually now that I type that I wonder what has chang…

The only problem is their god awful "welcome to the new version! we care about privacy!" screen that comes up every other time you open the browser. I don't think anybody has ever seen one of those and thought it was delightful.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by tester756 »

411111111111111 wrote: post #129
bergheim wrote: post #122

I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

Just remember that Mozilla gets over 90% of its revenue from Google.

so what?

ofc Google wants FF to be *viable*, but not good.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

ninjahattori wrote: post #133

I use and love firefox. I feel sad when I see brave, edge and other new browsers chromium based taking a lead. Firefox by itself is an amazing browser but the company behind it lacks any kind of vision. Brave has its own search, a better startpage, an ad network. From onboarding to incentivising user, they are doing it all very well.

Chromium isn't out of choice it's out of necessity.

Unfortunately the newest generation of engineers just see no point in even testing anything but Chrome on a MacBook.

This drives me up the wall as someone who's first job required writing CSS that could work in IE6, IE7, Safari, FireFox and Opera and even sometimes IE5.5. To hear devs paid way more than I was back then tell me "can't we just tell them to install Chrome" when something is misaligned or broken in Firefox or Safari.

I wish I could say it's the project managers, sys admins or the executives who are to blame like in the IE6 days. But painfully it's just lazy or incompetent engineers who don't understand or care about the importance of open and standard tech.

When asked to build something they all treat cross browser as an extra and not-essential step and then inflate their estimates or claim it will be quicker if we don't bother.

Wish this was isolated to a few people but I feel I'm like 80 young engineers deep who are like this and I think maybe 2 I've worked with in the past 7 years cared about cross browser.

If your experience in the industry is different from this, I'm extremely envious.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by 40four »

411111111111111 wrote: post #129
bergheim wrote: post #122

I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

Just remember that Mozilla gets over 90% of its revenue from Google.

That doesn’t mean anything. It’s a tired attack that gets repeated over and over, but has nothing to do with the values and goals Mozilla/ Firefox represent.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by kbelder »

ninjahattori wrote: post #133

I use and love firefox. I feel sad when I see brave, edge and other new browsers chromium based taking a lead. Firefox by itself is an amazing browser but the company behind it lacks any kind of vision. Brave has its own search, a better startpage, an ad network. From onboarding to incentivising user, they are doing it all very well.

One of the problems is that it isn't a choice between Good and Evil. (That's Mozilla and Google, if it wasn't clear...)

When you look at Mozilla's leadership, it is not hard to be turned off by their actions. It certainly bothers me. But, returning to Chrome seems even worse. It's like a choice between 60% evil and (20% evil + 40% nuts).

So I'm doing a trifecta. Chrome at work. A mix of Firefox and Brave at home... increasingly Brave, especially on mobile.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by iaml »

rsp1984 wrote: post #126

Last time I used FF on my Macbook (about 2 or 3 years ago) it had a big issue with battery drain (IIRC it was because of high GPU load even when idle). Did they ever fix that?

I use ff dev daily and IMO battery life hit compared to safari is still pretty bad.
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