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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by DangitBobby »

ttt0 wrote: post #92
DangitBobby wrote: post #89

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How does one distinguish between propoganda and universally accepted truth? It's not propaganda that tomorrow is Wednesday. Basically everyone will tell you it is and want you to believe it is. Same with planetary roundness. Is that propaganda too? Let's say for the sake of argument, all of the ideals driving "wokeness" are actually rooted in the truth. Would it still be propaganda? How would you know?

Truth and propaganda are not mutually exclusive. Edit: Finally when we got an actually interesting topic to discuss among the ocean of controversies everyone forgets in a week and tech equivalents of cute animal pictures, mods suddenly decided to limit my account and I can no longer respond to anything. I don't want to deal with this BS, bye. Last response, since I can't respond directly to shuntress: Feel free to po…

Okay, fair enough. My question is, really, "what makes something propaganda?"

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Post by andyxor »

pacerwpg wrote: post #126
andyxor wrote: post #105

Outdated, the US Democrats raised the bar with their spectacular propaganda campaign leading to the 2020 elections.

I would say the alternate reality that the Republican Party is living in is the gold standard for propaganda. That's not to say that Democrats don't use propaganda, but Democratic Party propaganda at least shares a reality with the rest of the country and world and isn't in the process of manufacturing an entirely different reality.

The Washington Post, the flagship of Bezos-sponsored propaganda, has been manufacturing alternate reality for years, 24/7.

There must be a new academic study on the effects of prolonged brainwashing on individual psyche, too bad academia is prone to even worse brainwashing from within.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by temp8964 »

pacerwpg wrote: post #133
temp8964 wrote: post #127

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No. The panic is not created by the media. I don't want my kids to be taught how White people are racists, or "people of color" are oppressed. Even I am not a White.

Where did you hear that kids are being taught those things?

This kind of training on teachers is everywhere. Which is also wrong. Shall I wait on it? Or are you saying it is ok for those things to be taught in teacher training, but only wrong when it is taught to kids?

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by pacerwpg »

temp8964 wrote: post #143
pacerwpg wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you hear that kids are being taught those things?

This kind of training on teachers is everywhere. Which is also wrong. Shall I wait on it? Or are you saying it is ok for those things to be taught in teacher training, but only wrong when it is taught to kids?

I'm saying that children aren't being taught the things you say they're being taught.

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Post by dragonwriter »

akomtu wrote: post #139
wolverine876 wrote: post #100

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> indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education What evidence do you have that it is happening and on what scale? My teachers, all that I recall, never presented any opinion or perspective as truth. It was always about thinking critically for ourselves. If, for example, they presented a well-established view on the sinking of the Maine , it was as material for our analysis and evaluation.

That's a real thing, though. In fact, some legislatures are so concerned that they've started passing laws prohibiting propaganda. Example is the recent HB3979 bill: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3979/id/2339637

> In fact, some legislatures are so concerned that they've started passing laws prohibiting propaganda. Example is the recent HB3979 bill

But that law:

(1) Nowhere prohibits propaganda, by name or in effect,

(2) mandates teaching propaganda, and specifically teaching various propaganda documents, opinion/analysis works, and campaign presentations (the Federalist Papers, Democracy in America, the first Lincoln-Douglas debate) ahistorically as “founding documents of the United States” rather than as propaganda, controversial opinion, etc.

It does explicitly prohibit policies mandating teaching current events, though. But not propaganda.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by pacerwpg »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #140
pacerwpg wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say the alternate reality that the Republican Party is living in is the gold standard for propaganda. That's not to say that Democrats don't use propaganda, but Democratic Party propaganda at least shares a reality with the rest of the country and world and isn't in the process of manufacturing an entirely different reality.

I think this perception of alternate realities is something the Democrats are actually encouraging. It makes perfect political sense to cast the opposition party as completely out of touch with reality. It also perfectly complements the existing sentiment of "reality has a well known liberal bias".

Ask Republicans who won the election, and tell me it's something Democrats are doing.

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Post by temp8964 »

jollybean wrote: post #138
temp8964 wrote: post #127

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No. The panic is not created by the media. I don't want my kids to be taught how White people are racists, or "people of color" are oppressed. Even I am not a White.

I actually do share the concern that fairly far-right wing people are politicizing education. But - CRT in it's applied form ultimately turns into 'propaganda' and there should be some legislative parameters around it. The basic CRT premise of 'Minorities who live in Majority Culture are suppressed in systematic ways, and that we should be more sensitive to that and it's historical impact' ... is definitely fair. So…

I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think CRT has anything value intellectually. Reasonable thinking on race issues is very difficult, I don't think CRT positively contribute to any of that. CRT is in itself radical, if you remove radical thoughts from CRT, then it is no longer CRT.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by temp8964 »

pacerwpg wrote: post #144
temp8964 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of training on teachers is everywhere. Which is also wrong. Shall I wait on it? Or are you saying it is ok for those things to be taught in teacher training, but only wrong when it is taught to kids?

I'm saying that children aren't being taught the things you say they're being taught.

Where did I say they're being taught?

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by akomtu »

bosswipe wrote: post #99
nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

The bigger concern is that professional educators are being overruled by politicians about what is in the curriculum. Such as the recent wave of anti-Critical Race Theories laws being handed down because of a panic created by right-wing media.

Educators, i.e. teachers, are being coerced into imposing CRT onto students by school boards and since teachers have little leverage, they have to comply. The CRT's tenets are identical to those in Stalin's USSR and Mao's China. Just read the wiki pages about the two regimes and see the striking similarities. I think the reason CRT has started getting so much flak is that it's reached the phase when it needs to impose its key technique known as "self criticism" (in USSR) and "struggle sessions" (in China). Americans have noticed that something is off and got agitated.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by pacerwpg »

temp8964 wrote: post #148
pacerwpg wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying that children aren't being taught the things you say they're being taught.

Where did I say they're being taught?

It was sort of implied as part of the conversation, but I see where I misread that.
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