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Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by RGamma »

anthony_romeo wrote: post #91
belval wrote: post #29

I hate TikTok because it's so good. It's a frictionless content pump that we can open and doom-scroll for hours. I have never seen such a beautifully crafted user experience, from the recommendation algorithm that is top-notch the content that is catchy and highlights trends without overdoing it and the absence of political content if you don't engage with it (or maybe there is none at all). I don't have it on my pho…

IMO I find the platform to be mentally abusive for me. It's a whirlwind of stirring emotions, shocking content, and 'earworms' everywhere, where memes iteratively compound into their own nonsensical language at a faster rate than on other networks. I'm afraid of observing, say, misconceptions and false math tricks passively on the platform, and accidentally letting them burrow into my brain. There isn't enough time f…

I honestly think TikTok might be a ploy to dumb down/analyze the western population.

I find it fantastically stupid.

Once I saw the aggressive marketing for it in the play store I knew this was something we now have to deal with. And so we do.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by reidjs »

topicseed wrote: post #5
rapsey wrote: post #3

TikTok is a social network that could not be made by an American company, due to its complete disregard for free speech and embrace of censorship. This is a major part of its success, due to not allowing its network to deteriorate into culture wars and general unpleasant behaviour. I suspect any future social network much like TikTok will have exclusion as a major feature.

> I suspect any future social network much like TikTok will have exclusion as a major feature. Do you mean like Clubhouse?

Anecdotally, clubhouse rooms were higher quality before they allowed Android users into the platform. Not saying that there's something inherently wrong with android users, there's just a higher noise to signal ratio now.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by artificial »

curiousllama wrote: post #38
belval wrote: post #29

I hate TikTok because it's so good. It's a frictionless content pump that we can open and doom-scroll for hours. I have never seen such a beautifully crafted user experience, from the recommendation algorithm that is top-notch the content that is catchy and highlights trends without overdoing it and the absence of political content if you don't engage with it (or maybe there is none at all). I don't have it on my pho…

I've decided to outsource dopamine production to The Chinese Algorithm and honestly it's going great

They collect biometric data now, faceprints and voiceprints. [0]

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/03/tiktok-just-gave-itself-pe...

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by dimmke »

tootie wrote: post #140
lorlou wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I love about tiktok is how they've managed to ban all political content. It's a social network which is fun precisely because it's not monopolised by rotten people with loads of free time.

It's kinda unbelievable that there so much praise for their tightly controlled content and so much scorn for moderation done by Twitter or Reddit. It goes to show how much people's judgement is based on expectations and not absolutes.

I keep seeing these things about TikTok that are absolutely not true. There is definitely political content on TikTok.

Here's a few with > 100k likes from a minute of searching "Immigration": https://www.tiktok.com/@janetwthehazeleyes/video/69415659895... https://www.tiktok.com/@attorneyericprice/video/691993902413...

"Gun control" https://www.tiktok.com/@feministmama/video/69619490520616174...

I keep seeing "facts" about TikTok posted on HN threads about it that don't hold up to basic research. It's so bizarre.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by wise_young_man »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #59
marderfarker2 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic since your ex POTUS got banned from your own social media on grounds of causing civil unrest.

More fun is still to come, when the audits come out.

Can this conspiracy stuff stop already? He lost and please move on. We are all tired of this.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by rvz »

xvector wrote: post #82
rvz wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the meantime, it's a breath of fresh air in a stagnant space. Exactly. We've been here before haven't we? How many more social networks do you need to join just to say the exact same thing? Of course. You're the one shilling it everywhere on this whole thread, when the news is for early 'investors' preparing for a gigantic IPO for massive returns. That's the news they want to hear. As for the users; well who car…

I'll be honest, your reply is kind of all over the place, so I don't know what you're trying to get at. How are you expecting TikTok to "screw" its users? And what's the big deal with users just leaving the platform if this does happen? I really don't see the big issue here.

> I'll be honest, your reply is kind of all over the place, so I don't know what you're trying to get at.

I'll put it in a very simple TikTok format for you: TikTok is just the same as any other social media platform which is fundamentally in the interests of the investors (they want to IPO with a massive return on investment); Not you or the users. Why do you think I quoted 'used' here? [0]

> How are you expecting TikTok to "screw" its users?

They already did [1][2], which is my point. Therefore, I do not have any confidence that they will change or how they are any different to other social media platforms. Yet you continue to deny such basic things like 'censorship' [3] even when another user pointed out a source [4] that included leaked information about TikTok's own suppression actions; completely debunking your vacuous claim.

> And what's the big deal with users just leaving the platform if this does happen?

That's not my problem. Another platform will just take its place and screw over their users over the interest of the investors (If they take capital).

So far with all your responses, you have provided ZERO evidence to your claims. I will ask one more time: 'How long until the users get screwed (once again)?'

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27550851

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56815480

[2] https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/25/22301704/tiktok-92-millio...

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27550717

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27551195

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by mongol »

belval wrote: post #29

I hate TikTok because it's so good. It's a frictionless content pump that we can open and doom-scroll for hours. I have never seen such a beautifully crafted user experience, from the recommendation algorithm that is top-notch the content that is catchy and highlights trends without overdoing it and the absence of political content if you don't engage with it (or maybe there is none at all). I don't have it on my pho…

Tinder is the same. I.e beautifully crafted for addiction.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by wolverine876 »

There was a story awhile ago that TikTok's curation selected for relatively wealthy people, and I mean 'wealthy' the scale of rich countries. For example, they didn't want something shot in a home that looked impoverished, presumably because it wasn't the experience they wanted for their audience.

I don't use TikTok, but a few times I've seen compilations of TikTok on YouTube, and the above description certainly matched what I saw. Also, the compilations show people who are overwhelmingly white. Is what I saw representative? Are they representative in the US, and maybe people in other places see something different? (Edit: And I see the appeal of TikTok, nice dopamine hits without any cost.)

Those policies, if they exist, seem unhealthy for kids and for society: Lots of kids in the world have cell phones, but nly a small portion of the world would qualify for success on TikTok, and they are qualified by their money (and possibly ethnicity). It says to the vast majority who are poorer that you aren't part of society and no matter how good your video is, you can't qualify. It also would hide from the rich kids the vast reality of life, and that there is nothing threatening about poverty and poor people, and people who don't look like you.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by dominotw »

belval wrote: post #29

I hate TikTok because it's so good. It's a frictionless content pump that we can open and doom-scroll for hours. I have never seen such a beautifully crafted user experience, from the recommendation algorithm that is top-notch the content that is catchy and highlights trends without overdoing it and the absence of political content if you don't engage with it (or maybe there is none at all). I don't have it on my pho…

i uninstalled it and avoid it all cost because i ended up spending around 14 hrs in the app for the 5 days i had it installed on my phone.

Unfortunately now the copy cats like youtube shorts have me hooked and i cannot uninstall youtube because i use it for so many more things.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by DevKoala »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #122
DevKoala wrote: post #111

TikTok is genius. I don’t have it installed, but whenever someone links me to it, it is hard to not continue looking at other related clips. I don’t see Facebook ever building something as cool.

I must be getting old because when my younger sibling links me to it, it always falls short of delivering. Usually some amateur trying to be funny by over exaggerating something, but not something I have not already seen.

It depends on the content you are being linked to. It is hard for the platform to fix that. However, what I mean is that it is easy to get hooked consuming similar short videos and before you know it, you have spent almost half an hour on this thing you are trying to avoid. I believe it is the UI that makes it so easy to jump to the next video even on the browser.
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