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Re: Apology

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Post by chevill »

slibhb wrote: post #139
throw3456548 wrote: post #129

Huh. It's interesting to see this come out now. Years ago I was planning on entering a PL PhD program until I met Felleisen. He yelled at me, insulted me, and I left nearly crying. That was the last straw that led to me leave academia, and I never came back. A young woman I know switched out of her computer science major after taking his class and said she still had nightmares about him. Another person I know worked…

This is a really thoughtful comment, especially considering your personal experience. There's a hard problem here: what should be done with people who interact poorly with others but are talented and driven? I don't know, but exiling them seems like a shame. Training them to play nice may not be possible. A reasonable option may be recognizing that some talented people are "difficult" and providing students with a pa…

>Training them to play nice may not be possible.

I'm autistic. It is possible for the socially inept to learn to be less of an asshole and to have better interactions with other people. I did it and we should expect everyone to make an effort to be kinder.

Re: Apology

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Post by jolux »

chevill wrote: post #141
slibhb wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really thoughtful comment, especially considering your personal experience. There's a hard problem here: what should be done with people who interact poorly with others but are talented and driven? I don't know, but exiling them seems like a shame. Training them to play nice may not be possible. A reasonable option may be recognizing that some talented people are "difficult" and providing students with a pa…

>Training them to play nice may not be possible. I'm autistic. It is possible for the socially inept to learn to be less of an asshole and to have better interactions with other people. I did it and we should expect everyone to make an effort to be kinder.

I’m autistic too, and I think what happens is that autistic people who also happen to be brilliant are not expected to learn how to interact well with others to the same extent that autistic folk of average intelligence are, so it ends up being on them whether they care enough about being kind and gentle to others to learn how to interact congenially. I know a lot of autistic people and most of them are nice but some of the more clever ones are indeed rude and socially inept. They also invariably believe that their rudeness is an inescapable aspect of their brilliance, but knowing a lot of brilliant people, autistic and not, this is just untrue.

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Post by LaserToy »

For some reason I don’t relive in the sincerity of those apologies. You have an adult who acted as a*le for a whole life. They were told it multiple times. They saw other people cried.

And now they finally apologizing when s*t hit thr fan. Sure. I’m also wondering whether sociopathy has something to do with this.

The blog post claims multiple incidents, not a single one.

Re: Apology

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Post by nerdponx »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #3

Context: Why I no longer contribute to Racket . https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27531508

Wild. Where were the other people in the room? This sounds like shared (ir)responsibility beyond the individual with the bad attitude.

Re: Apology

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Post by rodgerd »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #28
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #3

Context: Why I no longer contribute to Racket . https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27531508

I really think people need to learn to push back, and talk plainly. This could have easily been a blog called "that time Felleisen was being a cunt and I told him to go fuck himself" and been 1/4 the length.

I think people should learn to stop being fucking arseholes.

Re: Apology

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Post by chris_wot »

throw3456548 wrote: post #129

Huh. It's interesting to see this come out now. Years ago I was planning on entering a PL PhD program until I met Felleisen. He yelled at me, insulted me, and I left nearly crying. That was the last straw that led to me leave academia, and I never came back. A young woman I know switched out of her computer science major after taking his class and said she still had nightmares about him. Another person I know worked…

that's just the way he is and you have to get used to it

No, normal civil behaviour is "the way it is", and he needs to get used to it.

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Post by chris_wot »

wchar_t wrote: post #142
threatofrain wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discussion on Lobsters. https://lobste.rs/s/6rnyn9/why_i_no_longer_contribute_racket

Why did you consider it necessary to link there? I'm genuinely curious.

It is also linked on the "Why I no longer contribute to Racket".

Re: Apology

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Post by chris_wot »

fastasucan wrote: post #34

Doesn't sit right that he is so focused on the one example of what was supposed to be lot of bad behaviour over time. From the first blogpost/accusation it was clearly a personality problem, however here it is treated as a singular episode.

It appears there are a lot of people who say otherwise.

Re: Apology

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Post by Santosh83 »

throw3456548 wrote: post #129

Huh. It's interesting to see this come out now. Years ago I was planning on entering a PL PhD program until I met Felleisen. He yelled at me, insulted me, and I left nearly crying. That was the last straw that led to me leave academia, and I never came back. A young woman I know switched out of her computer science major after taking his class and said she still had nightmares about him. Another person I know worked…

Anyone can throw dirt on identified people who will suffer real world consequences from anonymous internet throwaway handles and unsubstantiated claims. Why should anyone take anything you say as credible. You and your friends should either raise formal charges of harassment or at least come out with your real identities. Otherwise this smells like opportunistic attempt at cancelling someone.
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