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Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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avs733 wrote: post #132
ghoward wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watching the anti-COVID vaccine folks has helped me realize this isn't about medicine or science or understanding...its about selfishness. It really is about science because the vaccines have not been approved for general use yet. All they have is an Emergency Use Authorization. Edit: Also, we don't know the long-term effects of these vaccines. Those could be far worse than the virus. For people who are not vulnera…

'it really is about the science' so what is your education level regarding interpreting vaccine trials data? it really is about the liberty...which really is about the selfishness...I may disagree with your perspective but my bigger problem is that you won't own it.

There is no data about long term effects, so my education doesn't matter.

Also, focusing on liberty is not selfish. It is a false dichotomy that liberty leads to less safety. In fact, loss of liberty means the loss of different kinds of safety than the virus takes away.

Right now, in the US, we have the safety that the government is not just going to haul us away to reeducation camps if we hold opinions that go against the official narrative. Lose liberty, and that safety is gone.

I focus on liberty because I don't want my posterity, or yours, or anyone's, living in a dystopian dictatorship where they fear for their lives every day.

If you call me selfish because of that, I'll accept that label because you just made it meaningless.

Oh, and I have a college education with statistics and a bit of experience in chemistry research.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ghoward wrote: post #140
tonfa wrote: post #139

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I guess we're not worried about the long term effect of the virus either? Planning on avoiding getting infected for the next 10y so that we can learn more about it as well? Especially ironic if it ends up that the virus was escaped from a lab.

There is a chance that I will not get the virus at all.

To quote another thing you said:

> Also, by 2031 (if not already), COVID will be endemic.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by ghoward »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #142
ghoward wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a chance that I will not get the virus at all.

To quote another thing you said: > Also, by 2031 (if not already), COVID will be endemic.

Still a chance that I won't get it. Endemic also means that it's constantly mutating, like the flu. I may never get the current strain of COVID-19.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ghoward wrote: post #143
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote another thing you said: > Also, by 2031 (if not already), COVID will be endemic.

Still a chance that I won't get it. Endemic also means that it's constantly mutating, like the flu. I may never get the current strain of COVID-19.

Yeah, but the next strain could be even worse. You seem comfortable playing the odds if you can be passive while doing it instead of making the active choice of getting a vaccination, even if the odds of the worse thing happening is many orders of magnitude greater.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #144
ghoward wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still a chance that I won't get it. Endemic also means that it's constantly mutating, like the flu. I may never get the current strain of COVID-19.

Yeah, but the next strain could be even worse. You seem comfortable playing the odds if you can be passive while doing it instead of making the active choice of getting a vaccination, even if the odds of the worse thing happening is many orders of magnitude greater.

That's because of the Precautionary Principle. Also, as viruses mutate, they tend to get less dangerous.
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