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Immediate skin-to-skin contact with unstable newborns improves survival chances

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We did it in the hospital too but there's nothing stopping you from using a midwife at home right? Another thing that seems to be pushed a lot is epidurals. They expect everyone to get one and are very surprised when someone does not want it.

Then you have to deal with the circumcision sales pitch.

We never heard even the slightest hint of a sales pitch for circumcision. A single question of whether we were planning to do it or not was all.

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It's pretty common in the US as well although not the norm. I think it's kinda dumb to be honest. Just get an epidural. My wife was induced twice due to risk factors and got two epidurals. We still got to cuddle them new born. We also had to bottle feed the first week pretty heavily to stave off jaundice although they were mostly breast fed afterwards.

No, don't get an epidural. Pain has a purpose. It guides you to minimize injury. Be thankful you can feel pain. There are people with genetic defects that prevent feeling pain. These people constantly injure themselves.

Lol, you know epidurals only last as long as they're administered right? As soon as the baby and placenta are out, they stop the flow and feeling starts coming back pretty quickly. The doc can also adjust the level of meds on the fly to allow enough sensation to facilitate pushing. And mom just stays in a hospital bed until it's safe anyway.

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We had a preemie baby at 26 weeks in December and feel fortunate our hospital (UCSF) practiced this recommendation. I was surprised they could do kangaroo care that fast (was a few hours after birth), but we did it then and everyday our daughter was in the ICN for 4 months. I'm convinced it made a difference and am sad when I hear about parents who can't do this.

I hope this research helps this become more standard practice.

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No, don't get an epidural. Pain has a purpose. It guides you to minimize injury. Be thankful you can feel pain. There are people with genetic defects that prevent feeling pain. These people constantly injure themselves.

Lol, you know epidurals only last as long as they're administered right? As soon as the baby and placenta are out, they stop the flow and feeling starts coming back pretty quickly. The doc can also adjust the level of meds on the fly to allow enough sensation to facilitate pushing. And mom just stays in a hospital bed until it's safe anyway.

It's not just about injury after the birth. It's about injury during the birth.

As soon as the baby and placenta are out, it's too late to avoid injury during childbirth. It is no longer possible to let pain be guidance for minimization of injury. The chance was missed.

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Interesting to read this here. When my son was born (naturally, normal weight, fully healthy, and around expected due date), the midwife in Denmark had educated us about the Danish way of handling the birth - as soon as the baby comes out, they literally put the baby on mom’s chest, and leave us(parents, and baby) alone in the room for about an hour. Nothing needs to be done other than the baby being in care of it’s…

Our midwife literally threw the doctor out of the room: "Everything is ok. You go now!" The doctors know that the midwife is in charge and respect this.

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Interesting to read this here. When my son was born (naturally, normal weight, fully healthy, and around expected due date), the midwife in Denmark had educated us about the Danish way of handling the birth - as soon as the baby comes out, they literally put the baby on mom’s chest, and leave us(parents, and baby) alone in the room for about an hour. Nothing needs to be done other than the baby being in care of it’s…

2.8 million people die during childbirth every year. It's absolutely a medical condition. And you should absolutely have a doctor there.

Where did you get the 2.8 million figure? Wikipedia says "an estimated 303,000 women killed each year in childbirth and pregnancy worldwide", which isn't the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death

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We’ve had 2 home births now. And the 1st birth was nearly a homebirth too. They’ve all gone well for us, so I recommend them from that point of view, but on the other hand, I don’t recommend them because I’d hate to have any hand in a situation that went wrong for someone else. Our last we actually delivered on our own because the midwifes didn’t get to us in time.

While home birth is certainly possible and apparently can be a very nice experience, I strongly suggest going into a hospital for birth (you should be able to choose a hospital of your liking after talking to the nurses/doctors/midwifes working there). Birth is safe in most cases, but complications do happen. While the probability is low, the possible damage is extreme. Please consider the availability of experienced…

I probably wouldn't have most of my family if I'd gone to a hospital. My twins would have been a C-section, and then the scar would have led to another C-section and to troubles with the placenta invading the scar. Before long the uterus just plain wouldn't work OK, and would endanger the lives of future babies. Avoiding a C-section is really important for having a large family. My 13th is due in 6 weeks.

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Lots to be learned about the microbiome, and how vaginal birth, breastfeeding and skin contact feeds that. The trend towards caesarian births and formula feeding countervenes this trend in health research.

Everything about birth is incredible. For example it’s extremely common to defecate while giving birth. Oh no lots of germs and bad for baby right? Actually the exposure helps jumpstart the infants gut biome.

And in the 1930s they were trying to figure out why there’s a type of sugar in breast milk which the infant can’t digest. Why the weird evolutionary waste? It turns out these oligosaccharides are there to feed not the baby but the good bacteria in the gut. The incredible and amazing mother anatomy. Amazing in so many levels.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d42473-018-00007-1

Re: Immediate skin-to-skin contact with unstable newborns improves survival chances

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Interesting to read this here. When my son was born (naturally, normal weight, fully healthy, and around expected due date), the midwife in Denmark had educated us about the Danish way of handling the birth - as soon as the baby comes out, they literally put the baby on mom’s chest, and leave us(parents, and baby) alone in the room for about an hour. Nothing needs to be done other than the baby being in care of it’s…

We had 2 children within the last 5 years, both born at Stanford, Palo Alto, and both were immediately put skin to skin after birth, so I don't think it's unique to Denmark.

Palo alto is not typical of America. Its one of the richest places in the country for one along with having a high percentage of liberal/educated people.

IN America you have to be upper middle class at minimum to have the same standard of living as the bottom tier in Scandinavian countries.

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Interesting. Our baby arrived 10 weeks premature and although it wasn't immediately after birth (as I'll explain why below), the hospital strongly encouraged the kangaroo care as mentioned in the article, which mom did daily until we could take our baby home. In a week it will be a full year since birth and the baby is in no way behind developmentally compared to other 10 month olds (when adjusting age due to prematu…

We had a 35-week baby stay a couple of weeks in the NICU too. Our maternity ward was far less paranoid over COVID, and we got to hold the baby during the C-section and for a while afterwards. Baby is just two months (unadjusted) and it's already annoying to always be explaining adjusted age and where people should be counting from for developmental placemarks. I find as a father that sometimes the only way I can soot…

Yes! I just read this to my wife and we had to laugh a little as the adjusted age thing has definitely been a bug bear at times.

At this point when people ask our child’s age, we almost always just say the adjusted age as it’s easier, especially with my wife’s gran who doesn’t speak English as her first language and then is worried about her being behind developmentally.

In regards to the bonding, for me it’s a feeling like no other to have your baby see you and mom as the greatest two people in the whole world.

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