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Life after an internet mob attack

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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The best solution here is to completely disconnect from social media or (at most) have an incredibly sanitized presence. Unless your job or livelihood revolves around needing to engage with a random internet audience (i.e. you're an influencer, entertainer, etc.) stay away from having a public persona on Twitter/Facebook/etc. The only community I interact with candidly tends to be this one. I don't post on Twitter, F…

> The best solution here is to completely disconnect from social media I've thought about that, but your reputation is being destroyed. You'll offer no defense? You'll let everyone who you value get that impression of you? You'll allow it to become permanent, public record for anyone who ever looks you up with a search engine?

I think he’s saying you should disconnect before any of that happens.

There is no defense against the barrage of a Twitter mob, doesn’t matter how hard you try. It also seems that the better the reputation you have, the more difficult it is to recover.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#142
post #3

The best solution here is to completely disconnect from social media or (at most) have an incredibly sanitized presence. Unless your job or livelihood revolves around needing to engage with a random internet audience (i.e. you're an influencer, entertainer, etc.) stay away from having a public persona on Twitter/Facebook/etc. The only community I interact with candidly tends to be this one. I don't post on Twitter, F…

I don't see how that would have helped OP. He wasn't called out for things he said or did on social media, barring a few people who piled on over extremely "sanitized" exchanges. I think your "best solution" aligns well with what the OP appeared to be doing, and he still burned. It's important to note that just because the mob forms on social media doesn't mean its consequences are limited to social media.

To add on top of that. It’s really the accusers’ following that is important. The target may not even have a social media profile as long as they have some online identity to point to.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#143

Twitter is a toxic wasteland of shit eaters. I avoid Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, pretty much anything considered social media. In fact, the only websites I use are email, banking, and HN. I don’t need social media. Social media doesn’t deserve my bandwidth, advertisers don’t deserve my attention, and my mind doesn’t deserve to be manipulated.

> In fact, the only websites I use are email, banking, and HN.

and StackOverflow, I assume :-)

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#144
post #24

There are a lot of talks on HN about the toxicity of social media. And people are pretty angry against Google and Facebook. But to me the worse is by far Twitter. There are plenty of random people who have a disproportionate number of followers compared to the quality of their posts. And as a result can do these kind of mods. Which are amplified by retweets, something that barely exists in other social media. Random…

Facebook obviously gets a lot of crap but they way they default your conversations to your localized pool of contacts certainly acts like "baffles" around an online persona.

Twitter generally discourages anonymity but also has almost no protection against your content being instantly thrust into a national spotlight.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#145
... weirdly, the ones who adopted the sternest and most terrible Old Testament moral tone were the Modern Language Association types who believed that everything was relative and that, for example, polygamy was as valid as monogamy. The friendliest and most sincere welcome he'd gotten was from Scott, a chemistry professor, and Laura, a pediatrician, who, after knowing Randy and Charlene for many years, had one day divulged to Randy, in strict confidence, that, unbeknownst to the academic community at large, they had been spiriting their three children off to church every Sunday morning, and even had them all baptized.

Randy and Amy had spent a full hour talking to Scott and Laura last night; they were the only people who made any effort to make Amy feel welcome. Randy hadn't the faintest idea what these people thought of him and what he had done, but he could sense right away that, essentially that was not the issue because even if they thought he had done something evil, they at least had a framework, a sort of procedure manual, for dealing with transgressions.

To translate it into UNIX system administration terms (Randy's fundamental metaphor for just about everything), the post modern, politically correct atheists were like people who had suddenly found themselves in charge of a big and unfathomably complex computer system (viz, society) with no documentation or instructions of any kind, and so whose only way to keep the thing running was to invent and enforce certain rules with a kind of neo Puritanical rigor, because they were at a loss to deal with any deviations from what they saw as the norm. Whereas people who were wired into a church were like UNIX system administrators who, while they might not understand everything, at least had some documentation, some FAQs and How tos and README files, providing some guidance on what to do when things got out of whack. They were, in other words, capable of displaying adaptability.

"Yo! Randy!" says America Shaftoe. "M.A. is honking at you." "Why?" Randy asks. He looks in the rearview, sees a reflection of the ceiling of the Acura, and realizes he is slouched way down in his seat. He sits up straight, and spots the Impala. "I think it's because you're driving ten miles an hour," Amy says, "and M.A. likes to go ninety." "Okay," Randy says, and, just as simple as that, pushes down on the accelerator pedal and drives out of town forever.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#146
post #3

The best solution here is to completely disconnect from social media or (at most) have an incredibly sanitized presence. Unless your job or livelihood revolves around needing to engage with a random internet audience (i.e. you're an influencer, entertainer, etc.) stay away from having a public persona on Twitter/Facebook/etc. The only community I interact with candidly tends to be this one. I don't post on Twitter, F…

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#147

1) be pseudonymous. People in my real life don't need to know what I do on the internet. Not like I'm doing anything untoward, but I am candidly discussing things with random strangers, including things some might view as beyond discussion, and you don't want some crusade against you for that. Your real life and your internet life don't need to overlap, and 99% of people get no benefit from them overlapping. 2) never…

1 and 6 are mutually exclusive.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#148
post #75
post #24

There are a lot of talks on HN about the toxicity of social media. And people are pretty angry against Google and Facebook. But to me the worse is by far Twitter. There are plenty of random people who have a disproportionate number of followers compared to the quality of their posts. And as a result can do these kind of mods. Which are amplified by retweets, something that barely exists in other social media. Random…

> As a society we should really prevent anyone to have more than a certain reach, like for example 5k people viewing a post. Why? What benefit does this provide to everyone? How is this not just going to silence minority opinion?

Anti-Vax are also a minority, and we should block them. I guess his intentions are to make the spread slow enough so the target of harassment could respond before being piled on OR for doctors to respond to Anti-Vax claims fast enough. So maybe a reach of 1K/Day would be a better approach to slow down harassment while allowing minorities to speak up (and the compromise is that it will take more time for their voice to be heard).

WhatsApp did something similar where you cannot share a popular message to more than one, since it was used to spread a call to violence in India. [1]

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/7/21211371/whatsapp-message-...

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

#149

Twitter is a toxic wasteland of shit eaters. I avoid Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, pretty much anything considered social media. In fact, the only websites I use are email, banking, and HN. I don’t need social media. Social media doesn’t deserve my bandwidth, advertisers don’t deserve my attention, and my mind doesn’t deserve to be manipulated.

> In fact, the only websites I use are email, banking, and HN. and StackOverflow, I assume :-)

How could I forget? Might as well add Google to that list too.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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post #95
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a key reason is HN has (IMO) a well-designed vote-based moderation system. Flamebait tends to get downvoted/flagged pretty quickly, burying it where it belongs. Contrast that to pure engagement-focused social networks like Facebook or Twitter, which do the opposite: prioritize showing flamebait, because people are engaging with it and therefore it must necessarily be quality content !

Reddit works the same yet does not has the same feeling at all except for niche subs maybe.

Agree. Reddit has a unique ability among large social networks to bring up sanity and good discussion. If there is misinformation being being spread I'd expect information disputing it to be in the comments 90%+ of the time. (Except for the niche subreddits as you mentioned)
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