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Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by realusername »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #119
bombcar wrote: post #109

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I think an interesting attack on this loophole would be a law that requires that the relevant signing keys/bootloader access be opened 1-3 years after official support for the hardware ends. Sure this would complicate things a bit (Apple would have to have different keys for different hardware revisions), but it would allow devices to be "officially" jailbroken after support ends.

Like this, I would really support this. However, Apple would probably point out the Third World countries might have more obsolete devices coupled with more oppressive governments and that puts them at more risk or something.

obsolete devices aren't maintained anymore, the only security you get against known attacks is provided by the community, not from Apple.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by idle_zealot »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #100
flutas wrote: post #97

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> Guess what Facebook would do to get around Apple’s privacy restrictions right now. You mean the privacy features built in to the OS?

Some privacy features are in the OS, but others aren’t. For example, Facebook probably doesn’t like having users see the privacy label in the App Store. It’s kind of embarrassing. Also, if Facebook could sideload, they could use restricted APIs and entitlements that the App Store would not permit.

> Facebook probably doesn’t like having users see the privacy label in the App Store. It’s kind of embarrassing.

What’s more embarrassing, that label in the App Store, or a big scary warning that says something to the effect of “This software has not been confirmed safe by Apple. It is not guaranteed to work properly, and may be a SCAM, VIRUS, or other MALWARE. By installing this application YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR DEVICE AND PRIVACY AT RISK. Are you sure you want to proceed y/N?” when trying to install Facebook’s app via sideloading?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by whoknowswhat11 »

Gorbzel wrote: post #118
jeroenhd wrote: post #24

It's clear AS is a great advancement in general computing, but every piece like this reads as "the hardware is amazing, and it's totally worth it to work around these arbitrary software restrictions". This performance would've been available on iPads years ago if it wasn't for Apple's blanket ban on JIT and the likes. Apple is one of those companies whose hardware I'd love to have if it wasn't for their software and…

Guess what? No one does or should care about your opinion of Apple’s software restrictions or corporate philosophy here. As per the article, those visiting the comments were primarily interested in discussion about JIT performance, comparisons between ARM and x64 instruction sets, GameCube/Wii emulation, etc. Instead, every single post on HN even tangentially involving Apple is taken over by these self-important hate…

Totally agreed. It's kind of pathetic.

The only reason apple was able to pull of the M1 transition the way they were able to is BECAUSE they have such control over their ecosystem.

Windows / Microsoft tried with itanium and ARM with much less success.

The platform war folks always take the most negative view possible, cannot even IMAGINE why apple might have chosen the approach they chose.

Well, M1 is what happens when you control your platform. PowerPC / Intel / ARM -> this control has let apple evolve dramatically.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by dragonwriter »

zepto wrote: post #139
derekjhunt wrote: post #113

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Source on this please. I'm skeptical that they sell enough iPads to equal half of all clothing sold on the planet, or they have a larger market or 20% of movies or gaming worldwide.

Please don’t ask for sources on things you can easily Google. It looks like you are trying to discredit the poster or accuse them of dishonesty without adding new information to the thread. If they are wrong, you can trivially demonstrate that with a link of your own.

Please don’t ask people to do a web search for support for your claims.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by zepto »

dragonwriter wrote: post #144
zepto wrote: post #139

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Please don’t ask for sources on things you can easily Google. It looks like you are trying to discredit the poster or accuse them of dishonesty without adding new information to the thread. If they are wrong, you can trivially demonstrate that with a link of your own.

Please don’t ask people to do a web search for support for your claims.

For easily verifiable claims, it’s absurd and frankly dishonest to expect people to provide links.

If you want to accuse them of lying or being mistaken, you can provide a link. If their claim is implausible, you can comment on why.

Just asking for a link without adding one of these doesn’t add anything to the conversation except a demand they do work.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by smichel17 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #140
smichel17 wrote: post #96

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Many years ago, Apple removed all apps for the 1st gen iPod touch from the app store, with no warning. I found out about this when I did a factory reset (ironically, this was to un-jailbreak my iPod touch, since the jailbreak slowed it down a little and I wasn't using any of its features). Imagine my surprise and frustration when all the apps I was using moments before - Spotify, Fruit Ninja, Opera Mini (the only bro…

>How to download old versions of apps from the App Store https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/02/08/how-to-download-o...

Not available in 2011.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by xxs »

threeseed wrote: post #32
jeroenhd wrote: post #24

It's clear AS is a great advancement in general computing, but every piece like this reads as "the hardware is amazing, and it's totally worth it to work around these arbitrary software restrictions". This performance would've been available on iPads years ago if it wasn't for Apple's blanket ban on JIT and the likes. Apple is one of those companies whose hardware I'd love to have if it wasn't for their software and…

Apple’s blanket ban on interpreted code is not arbitrary. It is there to prevent apps circumventing the review process and security model ie. apps pretending to do X during the review process and then doing Y when in use or obfuscating their use of private APIs. Now you can argue these restrictions are unreasonable but many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers.

> Apple’s blanket ban on interpreted code is not arbitrary.

Well, there is no ban on interpreted code but JIT -> just in time compilation, which in many cases produces high quality (gcc -o2) code.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by easton »

handrous wrote: post #120
easton wrote: post #46

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From the link: "Preliminary testing on iOS 14 seems to indicate that Apple has changed the kernel so that this trick no longer works." This is why the iPad needs a way to disable SIP (and the additional security features) just like the Mac. I could give a heck about the iPhone, to be honest, there's maybe one time in my life being able to JIT Python or whatever would've been useful on my phone. But they advertise the…

> But they advertise the iPad as a computer, and yet their software restrictions make it a portable TV. That's not at all true. It's not useful for some subset of what certain geeks want to use it for. It's very useful for all the other things a highly portable computer hooked up to a bunch of really cool sensors and a very capable peripherals ecosystem is. Ordinarily I'm all for arguments that we, as an industry (so…

I was speaking more generally than this specific issue, but things like not being able to mount file shares in a stable way (where the connection isn't dropped a bunch, although maybe that's a me issue and not a Files.app issue) are blockers to video editing with something like Premiere taking off on the iPad. No allowance of alternative browser engines means software like VSCode or Figma that rely on Electron would have to port bespoke versions to either entirely native apps or to Safari (which Microsoft has been doing with VSCode, but that's a lot of work for teams that chose to make their app an Electron app because it would save porting time). I'm more willing to excuse the second one because it has made it possible for a second browser engine that isn't built by Google, but it's still a factor.

It's more of a death by a thousand cuts scenario at this point rather than major things being completely missing from iPadOS, which is why it's painful to watch as they sell extremely powerful hardware that could be used for something cool if not for the darned restrictions.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by dylan604 »

fooqux wrote: post #44
threeseed wrote: post #32

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Apple’s blanket ban on interpreted code is not arbitrary. It is there to prevent apps circumventing the review process and security model ie. apps pretending to do X during the review process and then doing Y when in use or obfuscating their use of private APIs. Now you can argue these restrictions are unreasonable but many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers.

> many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers And many of us do . I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that. But I don't think it matters either way what either side wants, because it's what Apple wants that matters. They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works. I'm positive tha…

>I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that

Do you own an Xbox or Playstation? Do you own a SmartTV?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by m4rtink »

phh wrote: post #94
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #75

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Really? I find this hard to believe, because if this was true, why doesn’t Android have a bunch of unique apps that couldn’t exist on iPhone? Yes, Android does have some apps that can’t exist on iPhone, but I wouldn’t say that most people find them compelling or care about them. Those that do already have Android.

Except emulators and actual web browsers you mean?

Not to mention various IDEs and a lot of specialized tools basically compiled from a Linux distro. Still it's far from ideal given that everything needs to be compiled against the bastardized Bionic c library using the wonky at best Android NDK. Not to mention issues the Termux project uncovered where newly introduced "security" features prevent you from running binaries that were not installed from an APK (breaking many Linux distro chrome usecases and IDEs).

In short, a proper mobile Linux distro is needed, as Android is already far from perfect and getting worse. Hopefully some of the projects spawned around and related to PinePhone can cover that over time. :)

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