2022 Ford F-150 Lightning • Hacker News Board

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by chasebank » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

seanalltogether wrote: post #7

I'm sure this image is heavily photoshopped, but it looks like they're trying to make a center console that's half touch screen, half physical controls. I wonder what that will look like in reality. https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

Someone needs to start a dash company for these auto manufacturers. They are all hideous and have terrible functionality. Why would I ever want to control my heated seats through a touchscreen? Or A/C? Or Radio presets. I want to buy a newer vehicle but they are all so bad.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ZekeSulastin » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

CobsterLock wrote: post #102

tw04 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not half and half, it's touchscreen with a physical volume knob which in my opinion is the right way . Having touch controls for volume is a horrible idea (my car has touch control for everything and I despise trying to get the volume adjusted quickly). https://i.imgur.com/Lw4GgNW.jpeg

Maybe I am asking for too much but I want physical knobs for: Volume Control, HVAC Fan Speed, HVAC Temp. A tangential question: Does anyone know why there is an AC button on older cars? I can turn the temp all the way down but that just does outside air temp. If i want real AC I need to hit a button to turn it on. In my ideal car turning the knob to the lowest temp would get me cold air no matter what.

Two reasons: 1) The compressor uses some power from the engine, reducing gas mileage. 2) You can actually use it in conjunction with the heater to get dehumidified hot air.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by coder543 » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

jschwartzi wrote: post #133

bb123 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

> * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. The important thing to note about the moose test is that it doesn't specify that the moose has to survive. It's simply a test of whether the occupants will survive hitting a moose. I would wager anything that is designed to pass the moose test will kill anything tha…

> The important thing to note about the moose test is that it doesn't specify that the moose has to survive.

The moose test is about safely dodging around a moose that wanders out onto the road without wrecking the vehicle.

Why did you write this long comment as if you were an expert on the moose test if you don't even know what the moose test is? That's an incredibly disingenuous thing to do.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv9Oo5TMiWw

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ffggvv » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

anotherQuarter wrote: post #6

I hope the ability to use your EV battery to backup your house power becomes an expected capability in the future. Glad Ford included it. Too bad Tesla backed away from it, i’m guessing due to their powerwall business.

i wonder how long a car could possibly power a house

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ballenf » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:00 PM UTC

mfer wrote: post #108

CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Trucks very much have a place in society. Farmers, construction workers, and some other areas definitely need them. The trend that they need to be an everyday vehicle for anyone is something that should be looked at. What is the psychology and intentional planning that's caused this shift? What subtle population engineering has lead to this without people realizing it?

Speaking personally, I've never owned a truck but began considering it during Covid. Why?

The cost premium of hiring someone for home improvement jobs vs. DIY seems to have gone up. And the difficulty of finding someone qualified, reputable and with available capacity seems to have become exponentially higher.

"So I guess I need a truck" is what I've recently been thinking.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by frankfrankfrank » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:00 PM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #78

thanatos519 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

Don't know about in the USA, but in the EU electric cars are required to emit some noise when going slowly. Most make an eerie electric hum, but Fiat has chosen to make their new Fiat 500 play a jaunty Italian tune: https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-fiat-500-pedestrian-aler...

"… they will be like the ringtone of your phone, downloadable interchangeable, customizable …" … O_O … Oh, dear God, please no.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by slacka » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:00 PM UTC

HideousKojima wrote: post #73

namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

I take it you've never had to: 1. Take a bunch of trash/old furniture/whatever to the dump 2. Move furniture 3. Pick up materials for a home renovation like 16 foot long baseboards, drywall, a few dozen boxes of laminate flooring, etc. (no need to be a professional construction contractor here) 4. Tow a camping trailer 5. Much, much more I'm literally using my truck tonight to pick up ~500 square feet of flooring mat…

> saving a bundle in shipping costs on new kitchen cabinets

Both Lowes and Home Depot offer free delivery for orders over $45. I've also done several home improvement projects, and never needed to pay a dime in shipping. Are you buying directly from the manufacturer or something I'm missing here?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by defaultname » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:00 PM UTC

greenonions wrote: post #70

defaultname wrote: post #11

The aspect I'm most curious about is towing range. I have a 5000lb travel trailer that I tow about 200km away a few times a year. I'm pretty sure I'd be out of luck with a vehicle like this. It has the ability to pull the trailer with ease, but most preliminary estimates are that range would be two digits with that sort of load. In my current vehicle I do stop for gas midway, but it would be an entirely different sit…

I doubt it would be a very viable choice for recreational towing, but then, that market is probably significantly smaller than the standard truck use-cases.

Ford includes several pictures of towing recreational trailers (travel trailer, boat) in seemingly remote locations among their promotional images for this truck: It certainly isn't the bulk of the market, but it is a very important market.

They're appealing to people who tow stuff currently and aspirationally (e.g. people who don't currently tow trailers, but like to imagine that one day they will. "What if" scenarios).

Eventually the charging infrastructure will be there, including for towing vehicles, and it would be a case of scheduling a lunch around a charge.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by js2 » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:01 PM UTC

outside1234 wrote: post #43

Wow - so if the grid goes down the Truck will power your house? That is awesome! ref: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/ (see bottom)

I'm not sure it makes sense though. Now you have to choose between transportation and powering your home. As well, the power needs to go out when the truck happens to have a full charge. I think it cost them little to add (because they already have on-board power ports, which does make sense), but from a practical standpoint, I don't know how useful it is.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kibwen » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:01 PM UTC

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.