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Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Haha, less than 24h after that article that hit the frontpage yesterday. https://etherscan.io/blocks The blocks look absolutely insane right now

Eager to see the profitability change of ETH for today: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/price-mining_profitabil...

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Have you heard of DEFI (decentralized finance)?

Ah, yes, it's taking over traditional finance except they still haven't figured out how to make loans, but never mind that.

There are undercollaterized / no collateral loans on Ethereum. You can build a credit score using decentralized identities. But yeah, keep dismissing it. You'll eventually use Ethereum or something like it whether you want to or not.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Bitcoin is the ultimate, purely financial object. It has no revenues or profits. The supply is fixed -- unlike, say, gold, where high prices mean people will eventually start digging mines, BTC supply is entirely price-inelastic. The only thing that determines BTC price is demand. And over the past 13 years, we've seen reflexivity at work: The price has gone up, so more people want it, so the price goes up further, a…

That would only be true if bitcoin technology were protected by IP, which it is not. new coins effectively dilute existing holders of btc

As the supply is fixed, this is a very illogical take.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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I don't know why, it is probably highly irrational, but I always rejoice when the Bitcoin crashes.

Same. I hate the arrogant stupidity of the crypto cult.

I love the sour grapes of the conventional investors. It must really grind their gears when BTC hits a new all time high after each of these draw-downs.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Bitcoin is the ultimate, purely financial object. It has no revenues or profits. The supply is fixed -- unlike, say, gold, where high prices mean people will eventually start digging mines, BTC supply is entirely price-inelastic. The only thing that determines BTC price is demand. And over the past 13 years, we've seen reflexivity at work: The price has gone up, so more people want it, so the price goes up further, a…

To me, the argument that fixed supply is a good thing has always been worrisome. People just parrot that viewpoint without asking whether some amount of Keynesian economics is useful, because you know, government is evil. It got us out of the Great Recession and it’s been 12 years. Maybe the consequences haven’t fully manifest, but another Great Depression would have been guaranteed hell.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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As someone with no real opinion on crypto the arrogant stupidity of the anti-crypto crowd (really prevalent on HN) is also quite tiring.

For me, it's because the hype isn't around the technology (which is the interesting part and for the most part, why we're on HN), it's around the speculation. From the outside, looks like a bunch of gamblers constantly getting each other off on whether their bets will make them millionares. It's just...sad...at a level.

If crypto dies you will have to find a new group of people to feel superior to to feed your ego.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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And that I can send money worldwide to anyone at any time with no middleman.

No, you can send arbitrary hashes to anyone at any time. It's just a mutual agreement that those hashes are worth anything at all.

And so is our physical money a shared belief that those pieces of plastic are worth something as well. Really though man, this argument has been hashed out in so many places on the internet innumerable times. Stop the downvoting and let's agree to disagree.

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Stocks are a big Ponzi scheme too. Most people buying stocks aren’t interested in buying cash flow like stocks were meant to provide. People want capital gains. You only get capital gains when there’s a greater fool. I’m not against owning stocks. I’m just as concentrated as you. But, let’s not confuse luck and genius. We are just hoping to be the one that gets out before the music stops.

Please don’t “both sides” this. Stocks are not a Ponzi scheme because funds from early investors are not flowing to fresh investors. There is the actual value created by a company together with its future prospects and assets that combine to determine a stock price. Crypto meanwhile has the backing of whom and what assets?

That's strange. I own crypto assets that are also capital assets and I receive fees based on transaction volumes and loans. Seems like there's real value there.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Same. I hate the arrogant stupidity of the crypto cult.

It may be arrogant sounding, but it’s not stupid. It is in the financial interest of Bitcoin holders to talk up Bitcoin and defend it to the death. The senior management of regular banks in many countries are often required by law to deny that the bank is in jeopardy right up until the moment they close the doors, as a way to prevent bank runs. Because crypto is distributed, every holder is a bank manager, and must d…

What would happen if a significant fraction of the population was holding crypto?

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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> If $SPY dropped 40% we'd all call it a crash. This isn't that different If $SPY was 40% up since last month, would that be normal? ETH is still currently higher than its value from April 19th. Cryptocurrency market is extremely volatile. This isn't that far from normal.

SPY is up 50% since 2019 (pre covid crash). As someone partially invested in index ETFs, this worries me. Index funds aren't supposed to be nitro, they are supposed to be slow and plodding, and 10% annual is supposed to be huge. I think major indices should be nice, slow, inertial gains from ~6-7% annual, tops. Why? When at any point as an engineer or a scientist have you observed large exponential growth to be susta…

>SPY is up 100% since 2019 (pre covid crash).

Wait, what? I don't see SPY below 250 for all of 2019. A 100% gain would be 500, but it's 406 now. (Its 2020 nadir was ~228, but it's still not up 100% from that.)

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/SPY:NYSEARCA?window=5Y

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