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Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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It is actually pretty easy. As long as you don't use any private APIs, you can completely change the behavior of your app after the review by changing server side settings.

Yes, but if they catch you, you’ll get kicked out of the store altogether.

Why? We do it all the times, we ship most of our app behind feature switches and enable them in the future for subsets of users

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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The way antitrust is working in recent years is kind of ridiculous. Google in Europe is becoming a rich case study in antitrust meh. You find that adwords engages in a blatant "monopolistic abuse" in some specific sense. In the Adwords EU case for example, Google was both monopsonising (google search) and monopolising search advertising. But, the actual violations are specific, like exclusivity requirements and other…

> IMO, we need some way to declare a company "Big" and apply special rules to them. Careful though. A monopoly may abuse its position, which is bad, but a big company may be big because they are good and people use them, which is good.

This is actually the difference between the US and the EU when it comes to monopoly lawsuits. The US has to prove that the behavior of a monopoly was harmful to customers/consumers. The EU has no burden of proof and can just take market size as a way to go after them.

The general problem I see here is how you slice the market to say a given company has a monopoly. It sometimes feels like those going after large companies try to slice the market in such as way to say they are monopolies, when other slice it in another way to show that it's not. Which slicing is "correct" is really hard, especially when markets shift relatively quickly.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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Good for Italy -- they have no chance of creating a Google, so their best path to tech dollars is a regular cadence of these $100m fines (but not so often that Big Tech exits the Italian market).

If Google leaves the Italian market, Italy could have a chance to create a local Google. Google's scale is huge and they have a lot of products, but a subset of these products, such as tracking, ads, search, emails, and videos, is achievable for a country like Italy in my opinion.

Italy already created a new Google, it went incredibly well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3557824

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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The way antitrust is working in recent years is kind of ridiculous. Google in Europe is becoming a rich case study in antitrust meh. You find that adwords engages in a blatant "monopolistic abuse" in some specific sense. In the Adwords EU case for example, Google was both monopsonising (google search) and monopolising search advertising. But, the actual violations are specific, like exclusivity requirements and other…

> IMO, we need some way to declare a company "Big" and apply special rules to them. Careful though. A monopoly may abuse its position, which is bad, but a big company may be big because they are good and people use them, which is good.

I'd argue that the latter eventually turns into the former with a probability approaching 1. The incentives are just too screwed up for it to happen any other way.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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But also in colloquial English, "rule out" means "eliminate by logic". Like, "use the rules to take it out of possibility".

I don’t think this is an accurate definition or etymology. The phrase can mean “formally remove” or just “eliminate”. I think it always alludes to using a stick of wood to draw a line rather than a regulation or law.

My etymology might be completely wrong. No argument there.

But as for the meaning, that's what it's always meant when I've heard it said. So it definitely means that, at least colloquially.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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Yes, but if they catch you, you’ll get kicked out of the store altogether.

Why? We do it all the times, we ship most of our app behind feature switches and enable them in the future for subsets of users

Right, but you don't know that they're not rejecting it because of your features being disabled. You only now that they didn't reject it.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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Quick summary: the biggest electricity provider in the country (ENEL) made an app (Juicepass) to find and manage their charging stations across the country. The Android Auto functionality of the app has been rejected by Google for non disclosed "security concerns while driving". The antitrust ruled out it was because Google wanted to sabotage competitor apps to the charging stations finder built-in in the Google Maps…

And a quick reminder to everybody else that walled gardens don't actually help the consumer. They only arbitrarily restrict choice, they don't actually improve security (if any, that's provided by the sandboxing, not by the store "review"). If this company (ENEL) wasn't a huge state-wide electric company (inheriting their power and ties from the previous state-owned monopoly) how many chances do you think they had to…

I agree that the downsides outweigh the positives, but they do provide security to a certain extent.

For example, you can give your grandma an iPad or a chromebook, and there’s very little chance of her accidentally installing x nasty malware.

Give her a proper laptop, and at any one time she’s about 6 clicks from something dodgy, especially if she’s on social media.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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The majority of italians rate the independence of courts to be poor, which is among the lowest ratings in the EU [1] [1] https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/justice_scoreboar...

this is because they think the courts are politicized, not because the judiciary takes input from the government. In fact there has been a constant conflict between judges and government for the last 30 years.

Doesn't that mean the judiciary is independent, but biased?

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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Yes, but if they catch you, you’ll get kicked out of the store altogether.

Why? We do it all the times, we ship most of our app behind feature switches and enable them in the future for subsets of users

It depends whether the disabled features break the rules of the App Store, or are fraudulent. Presumably you aren’t doing that.
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