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Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by toast0 » Sat, May 08, 2021, 3:15 AM UTC

mwcampbell wrote: post #121

toast0 wrote: post #96

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Bare metal hosting is a happy medium between co-lo and cloud. You don't have much control over the network, so it might not be enough if you need faster NICs than they offer, but if you fit in their offerings, it can work well. Otoh, the bare metal hoster I worked with is now owned by IBM, and a big competitor is owned by private equity; bare metal from cloud providers still has a lot of cloudiness associated too. Ma…

How about OVH? They now have data centers in Canada and the US as well as Europe.

I hadn't looked at their offerings before, but they seem at least superficially good. A decent collection of datacenters, network with link aggregation is important to me.

I'd be curious to see any reports about their fire response in their recent incident as well as any changes they made or didn't make to other sites.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by arcturus17 » Sat, May 08, 2021, 5:18 AM UTC

bufferoverflow wrote: post #128

arcturus17 wrote: post #105

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> AWS is almost never cost efficient. A ridiculous blanket statement, despite the "almost never" cop-out... It is cost-efficient in a wide array of scenarios. Many companies pay for it because they have calculated the different investment scenarios and AWS comes on top of alternatives such as owning the hardware or using competing cloud vendors. I own a consultancy that builds complex web apps and while I appreciate…

Name an AWS tier that there's no cheaper alternative for. I'm only aware of Glacier, I haven't seen anything cheaper than it. AWS is convenient and reliable, but it's not cheap.

Convenience and reliability are deeply related with cost efficiency - that’s the point the example I made was meant to illustrate.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by Bellamy » Sat, May 08, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

gallexme wrote: post #22

jonatron wrote: post #16

If you're going for low cost, you could do better: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/dell/dx181/conf... Basic configuration in Finland 1 224,91 € 1.92 TB SATA SSD Datacenter Edition 4 95,20 € 320,11 € 320 Euro equals 385.90 United States Dollar

Depending on the requirements https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax101/ May be an actually better fit Once they available again

This my next server.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by vagrantJin » Sat, May 08, 2021, 10:14 AM UTC

arcturus17 wrote: post #105

bufferoverflow wrote: post #104

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AWS is almost never cost efficient. Maybe if you stay in their free tier.

> AWS is almost never cost efficient. A ridiculous blanket statement, despite the "almost never" cop-out... It is cost-efficient in a wide array of scenarios. Many companies pay for it because they have calculated the different investment scenarios and AWS comes on top of alternatives such as owning the hardware or using competing cloud vendors. I own a consultancy that builds complex web apps and while I appreciate…

> I consider it cheaper in the long run.

Really?

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by Fgffhjj » Sat, May 08, 2021, 4:34 PM UTC

ddorian43 wrote: post #26

gallexme wrote: post #22

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Depending on the requirements https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax101/ May be an actually better fit Once they available again

You'll be waiting 1+ month to get the server above.

I got a 64gb and server with 2*2tb NVM in 10 minutes.

Bought it 2 weeks ago for 60/month.

Or are you referencing something like CPU shortage at that model?

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by Fgffhjj » Sat, May 08, 2021, 4:37 PM UTC

potiuper wrote: post #47

gallexme wrote: post #22

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Depending on the requirements https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax101/ May be an actually better fit Once they available again

Why a Ryzen instead of an Epyc in a data center?

Hetzner is known for this.

I had a hetzner server for years and now again.

Normal consumer hardware without any magic for very good prices.

I made even 10tb traffic and run Rosetta 24/7 for 2 years without any issues.

Just expect downtime if that's your only server and it breaks.

The last few years it got really crazy what you get for 50bucks a month.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by Fgffhjj » Sat, May 08, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

onebot wrote: post #48

jonatron wrote: post #16

If you're going for low cost, you could do better: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/dell/dx181/conf... Basic configuration in Finland 1 224,91 € 1.92 TB SATA SSD Datacenter Edition 4 95,20 € 320,11 € 320 Euro equals 385.90 United States Dollar

I am really starting to feel that co-location will make a big comeback. It seems cloud costs are just becoming too high for the convenience they once offered. For small projects and scale probably makes a ton of sense, but at some point the costs to scale aren't worth the up front developer cost savings.

Always calculate what it would cost you as a company to actual my hire a good sys admin, keeping that person happy and spending the money for operating a average quality setup vs. fire and forget.

A few grant infrastructure cost for any modern company is nothing and an outage costs you much more.

You can also bet that proper backup is either missing or was paid for expensive enough.

On Aws you activate snapshots and that's it.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by remram » Sat, May 08, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

returningfory2 wrote: post #77

nopurpose wrote: post #32

It is a cool project. S3 can be cost efficient, but only if you don't touch data :) Their price calculation doesn't mention cost of S3 requests, which very quickly adds up and is often neglected. It costs $1 for 2.5M GET requests to S3. They have 180 shards, in a general case query seems to fetch all of them. Presumably they don't download full shard per request, but download an index + some relevant ranges. Lets say…

For Digital Ocean object storage, data transfer to/from a Digital Ocean VM is free. You only pay for bytes-at-rest. But it seems S3 doesn't have a similar offering. Data transfer is free between S3 and EC2 instances, but you still pay the per-request charge. I wonder can you factor this into the pricing algorithm.

Digital Ocean has a limit of 750 requests per IP per second, so you wouldn't be able to complete a search query at all (1800 > 750).

https://docs.digitalocean.com/products/spaces/#limits

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by ddorian43 » Sat, May 08, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

Fgffhjj wrote: post #145

ddorian43 wrote: post #26

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You'll be waiting 1+ month to get the server above.

I got a 64gb and server with 2*2tb NVM in 10 minutes. Bought it 2 weeks ago for 60/month. Or are you referencing something like CPU shortage at that model?

Referencing the AX101. And the storage line.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by Fgffhjj » Sat, May 08, 2021, 4:48 PM UTC

rossmohax wrote: post #93

curryst wrote: post #72

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Where they get you is that it very rarely makes financial sense to do both cloud and colo/on-prem (unless you're a massive company). It ends up being way more expensive to use the cloud, but also hire engineers to work on making an on-prem cloud. Most companies have a mixed bag of projects that are either better served by the cloud, or are okay with colo and the savings it can bring. Assuming you don't want to do a h…

You save on specialized engineers (Database, RabbitMQ, Ceph administrators), but you lose elsewhere. What used to be an apache serving static files, now is S3 bucket, but it wont be easy, because you wanted your own domain, so now you need a Cloudfront because of SSL support. Their tutorial conveniently mentions it only at the step 7 ("Test your website endpoint"). You buy into Cognito, great, saved money on Keycloak…

I realized how great Aws and co was when I took over the tech lead on a small startup.

That well defined setup with load balancer, multiple VMS, snapshotting as backup, von/ipsec and vlan was something I couldn't have build and maintained by myself and doing other things 15 years ago without cloud.

The worst is that a lot of "specialized" people are actually not experts at all. They are just there as support person's.

From 3 DB admins one was really good and the other 2 sucked (other company again). The one you never saw comes to you, starts thing on an oracle shell basically blind and does complex things and the other two you tell them what they forgot.

As an admin your job is seldomly to optimize queries etc. But more adding and removing users, configuring backups, playing back backups, upgrading etc.

At least for me it opened up what I can do as a single expert and faster and in better quality.

I would highly recommend normal companies who think they are not an it company (everyone is one today) to run in the cloud only.