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Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by tpmx »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #101
itake wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate how this is exploiting? I am a SWE engineer with photography as a hobby. If a tv show contacted me to do a wedding shoot, I'd be excited for the coverage and I wouldn't feel exploited since doing shoots is fun for me. I could see how there are parallels to the "background actor" industry where, by law, you have to pay all of the talent on screen, even if its a nominal amount and the actor would of w…

I hope you can see the difference between doing something for free when it's your hobby, vs. doing something for free when it's your career. If a TV show contacted you do create a web app, would you do that work for free? Would you give up other opportunities to get paid to do so?

> If a TV show contacted you do create a web app, would you do that work for free? Would you give up other opportunities to get paid to do so?

So, say no? (I've done that a couple of times in similar situations.)

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Post by djitz »

stuff4ben wrote: post #102
itake wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate how this is exploiting? I am a SWE engineer with photography as a hobby. If a tv show contacted me to do a wedding shoot, I'd be excited for the coverage and I wouldn't feel exploited since doing shoots is fun for me. I could see how there are parallels to the "background actor" industry where, by law, you have to pay all of the talent on screen, even if its a nominal amount and the actor would of w…

Because you're a hobbyist and there's probably no chance in hell they'd contact you. This is this persons job and they look to be a professional. But imagine if Google or Microsoft or decided to ask you to do a software project for them for no money but you'd get exposure, would you do it? If so, I have a shit ton of work that I'll give you while collecting my salary and give you "exposure"...

Big organizations do that all the time. They call them hackathons.

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Post by Veen »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #114
happytoexplain wrote: post #22

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This is less about "can" and more about "should". It's bad for everybody when professionals work "for publicity" or are encouraged to do so, despite the relative innocence of the professional who chooses to do so. For the least subtle take on this possible, see: https://youtu.be/mj5IV23g-fE

> It's bad for everybody when professionals work "for publicity" or are encouraged to do so It's important that we not allow our moral judgments to interfere with the facts. This is obviously false.

It’s bad for other professionals because it creates expectations that people will work for free and it reduces the amount other professionals can earn. That’s why it generates negative reactions and shaming in those communities. In the short term, that’s good for whoever gets a free service. In the long run, it’s not great for sustaining a population with a valuable expertise.

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Post by twunde »

duxup wrote: post #42
munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…

Most engineering internships at this point are paid and most people on HN are working for companies that do paid internships. Unpaid internships tend to be more prevalent in the arts and at small companies. Anecdotally I distinctly remember people doing design for free as interns, with very little oversight or training. Back in the day Craigslist would have a number of these types of "internships" although I think these are no longer common due to both better enforcement of laws and more importantly the rise of the gig economy creating competition

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Post by ghaff »

anm89 wrote: post #107
munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

I agreed that legislating this is the best route here. It's hard to blame netflix for trying to get free labor when they know they are going to get away with it every time.

From the article, this does not appear to actually be Netflix. Netflix is the studio. This the production company producing the show that will run on Netflix. (Studios are mostly about green-lighting shows/films and, obviously, overseeing their investments. But they're mostly not actually producing the shows themselves.)

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Post by aantix »

g_sch wrote: post #95
aantix wrote: post #28

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Why would you assume they're desperate? If I took a gig like this, I'd be damn sure that: 1) I am included in the rolling credits, 2) I have several cameo shots within the show, 3) I can use thumbnails of my appearances within my own web site and 4) that I am able to use the show's logo and likeness to promote my own business. My site would lead off with : "Award winning photographer. You may have seen my work recent…

If you're accepting an offer to work for free for a major company, why do you think you'd have enough leverage to negotiate those other things?

As with any contract, you don't know unless you ask.

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Post by Ekaros »

shoto_io wrote: post #5

I might get downvoted for that, I still gonna say it: That might be due to the demand-supply situation in photography. They probably will find photographers doing this for the promotion effect described in the email.

I wonder what level promotion they offer? The logo in 72pt visible for whole time when work is shown? Watermarks allowed to be shown at all times? Maybe a 15 minutes of free advertising time?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mbesto wrote: post #110
happytoexplain wrote: post #61

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It seems fairly self-explanatory - the oversupply is of individual human workers, not some product. The individual at the bottom of the pyramid is hurt directly. A large business is treating a specific human at the bottom with disrespect. The name of the economic principle at play is morally irrelevant. I.e. economic shrewdness is not equivalent to morality.

I think everything you read is true, but also I think speaks to the overabundance of supply. To put this in a different light - people (here among all places) are especially sick of firms like Accenture/IBM/etc. of loading up projects with unexperienced junior people and putting absurd markup on their services. Which one do people want? Paying for soccer teams full of inexperienced people learning on the job or promi…

> people (here among all places) are especially sick of firms like Accenture/IBM/etc. of loading up projects with unexperienced junior people and putting absurd markup on their services

Are people sick of the inexperienced teams, or are they sick of being scammed? IIRC, that business model usually starts with a bait-and-switch - they company will send their best people first, to make an impression and get the client to sign the contract, and then switch the project over to the cheapest team.

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Post by emodendroket »

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

Classic broadside against unpaid internships: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/internment-camp
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