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Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by codezero »

throwaway_kufu wrote: post #132
codezero wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't know that the person who listed it doesn't have a special MSA (service agreement) with their vendor that gives them premium support and or protections not offered to "normal" end-users, and you seem to believe there is some sort of clear black and white with how business may make decisions when there are incidents on their platforms. As a person who misses a lot of flights, I can tell you that they can alwa…

Sorry you miss your flights a lot, but if I may, imagine you showed up on time and: A) the plane was gone and they explained you bought a ticket with an error in the flight time; or b) they informed you they cancelled your ticket and your couldn’t fly because the price of your ticket had an error. Remember that recent viral video/news story of the Guy being dragged off a plane kicking and screaming because the airlin…

You're beating a dead horse and seem to just be arguing past everyone, I'm not going to participate any more, sorry about your not being able to get ua.com for a really low price, that must have been a real downer.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by kccqzy »

packetslave wrote: post #87
Forbo wrote: post #3

> >According to the Open Data Córdoba group (which is dedicated to tracking expired Argentine domains) Google's domain had not expired and, in fact, the expiration date was in July. But the group too was unable to explain what had happened or why. Ouch. I think someone's going to have some explaining to do in the post-mortem.

Yeah, MarkMonitor is not going to have a good time on this one (they're the company Google, and a bunch of other high-profile companies) use for domain management and tracking. They're supposed to prevent this kind of thing from happening.

MarkMonitor has been purchased by OpSecSecurity: https://www.opsecsecurity.com/resource/press-release/opsec-s...

I wonder if this has anything to do.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by f3rnando »

emmelaich wrote: post #95
packetslave wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, MarkMonitor is not going to have a good time on this one (they're the company Google, and a bunch of other high-profile companies) use for domain management and tracking. They're supposed to prevent this kind of thing from happening.

It's not known whether Google or the AR NIC made the mistake.

It's not known whether it was a mistake.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by jb775 »

yosito wrote: post #51

Meanwhile, I can't even figure out how to buy domains with my name in them from people who just buy them and sit on them.

I'm also curious how people actually go about purchasing domains immediately after expiring. Like for example when Trump bought jebbush.com during primary season because it happened to expire then (and he temporarily re-routed it to his own site lol)...They must have done something more technical to lock it in, does anyone know?

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by throwaway_kufu »

codezero wrote: post #140
throwaway_kufu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I’m saying I tested is your theory that you can just ask the marketplace to reverse a transaction on the basis of your listing price being in error. Of course I did that because I had just sold crypto comic book.com on their marketplace. And they refused to reverse my sale. And you don’t think I did that ? Why would anyone make that up? It’s really not on me to test the accuracy of a publicly traded company’s au…

You selling your low value domain and asking for a refund is not the same as the owner of ua accidentally selling ua.com UA is likely a LARGE customer of the domain service you use and pay multiple thousands of dollars more for managed services and support than you do. They will get special treatment because it's in THEIR contract, just not yours. Try reaching out to them and ask what kind of contract you need to sig…

The law doesn’t care about the value of a contract, it’s enforceable or it’s not, and I don’t think you have the slightest clue how damaging it would be if I were to sue (again I never I would) and it to come out in discovery that the marketplace reversed the transaction I was the buyer and refused to reverse the transaction I was the seller because the seller the supported pays them more than I do and as a result reversed their transaction not mine. Or even a more generous interpretation of your comment that there is a non advertised fee you can pay to reverse transactions after the fact and the same is not disclosed to users and buyers of those particular domains.

I’m just telling a story of what happened, you seem to be arguing and it’s really bizarre. If you wanted to discuss the law in good faith fine, I’m happy to do that, but you are taking everything personal and lashing out with comments like my “low value domain” and just seem to want to justify what they did from error to paying for a special non advertised service that permits reversing sales...so I’ll step back.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by viceroyalbean »

nmfisher wrote: post #124
throwaway_kufu wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No that isn’t what judicial discretion is. In contract law judges are not permitted to unilaterally interject their understanding of a contracting party’s intent and revise the terms of a contract, try looking up the “4 corners of a contract”. I’ll give a specific example of a buddy of mine who in 2008 (during housing bubble) used to buy foreclosed homes at auction. There was a $2-3M home foreclosed Miami Beach home…

That's not a contractual mistake though, is it? It was an auction, meaning anyone could bid, and he put a genuine bid for $200k. Just because the system crashed doesn't mean anyone actually made a representation they didn't intend to. A more realistic example would be the wrong house getting listed for auction due to clerical error (but one still owned by the bank). I'm fairly sure that would be set aside.

The second example sounds a bit like the citi debt thing where they accidentally paid the entire principal when they meant only to pay a part.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/citibank-just-go...

Maybe I'm stretching it a bit, but the element of reasonably assuming that it was intentional seems similar. I'm sure there are some differentiating intricacies in the law though.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by tmk1108 »

yosito wrote: post #51

Meanwhile, I can't even figure out how to buy domains with my name in them from people who just buy them and sit on them.

There is a domain name I wanted and the minimum offer price is 140k. I don't know even know who will pay for it, it's not like it can be used for a company name.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by matheusmoreira »

cj wrote: post #133
matheusmoreira wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would you also lose faith in the dealership when they return your $100 and tell you the car was not meant to be priced at $100 Yes.

Now imagine it was your own car in the parking lot, and an employee of the dealership accidentally tagged your car for sale as one of theirs, and mistakenly and irreversibly sold it, all while you were test driving a new car :)

Looks like they owe me a new car.
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