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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by temp667 »

nickysielicki wrote: post #125
bootwoot wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a source for this? Seems way more likely to be monetarily pushed by either investors or advertisers (as other poster said) or at least pre-emptively done to appease those groups.

Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-tra... > One of the submitted questions was "Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" Another was “Why has Spotify chosen to ignore Spectrum ERG's guidance about transphobic content in the JRE catalog?,” referring to a group of Spotify work…

What is Spectrum ERG? Most corps do follow guidance from legal / HR etc to a degree - it's weird if that was being ignored.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by lotsofpulp »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #106
idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

There's a another group - ephemeral online mobs - People not involved with the content at hand in any way, shape or form contribute to a reactionary admonition and I'm sure businesses just want to avoid the controversy altogether. I don't know about Rogan for instance, but Hulu removed 4 episodes of sunny because of racist caricatures. They certainly were racist but the joke was on the characters using the caricature…

The Sunny in Philadelphia thing makes no sense at all. Supposedly, Tina Fey pre-emptively asked to remove some of her own 30 rock episodes and that caused others to need to look like they’re doing something lest they be caught up in a PR storm. Makes zero sense in the context of comedies using it as the butt of jokes though.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by fleshdaddy »

bootwoot wrote: post #117
nickysielicki wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

Is there a source for this? Seems way more likely to be monetarily pushed by either investors or advertisers (as other poster said) or at least pre-emptively done to appease those groups.

I don’t know from an advertisers perspective it seems like JRE is pretty mainstream. I don’t recall them having trouble getting sponsors in the past.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by warent »

nickysielicki wrote: post #86
idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

Politics are going to exist in the workplace no matter what because workplaces are made of humans. Advocacy and activism are a bad thing?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by luckylion »

sn_master wrote: post #93
idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

> Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? YouTube always claims they're demonetizing videos for their advertisers. i.e companies threatening to either boycott advertising on the platform entirely, or ones who don't their products appear in videos with certain content. Maybe Spotify is doing it for the same reason?

According to this [1] Spotify makes 91% of their revenue and nearly 100% of their profits based on premium membership, not ads. I find it unlikely that they're messing with their users' interests to make advertisers happy that make up a rounding error in the profits.

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120314/spoti...

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by klyrs »

motohagiography wrote: post #63

The tech platforms have a meekness problem. Rogan's payday secures his family's future for the next few generations because he did some funny fancy talking to some weirdos on the internet, so good for him. On the censorship issue, meh, there's nothing to add, it's not a discussion or rational discourse. We can only hope the alternative is entertaining.

What do you mean, "meekness"? They got flak for hosting rogan in the first place. Now they're getting flak for taking down a small fraction of his content. Outrage, engaged! Are they "meek" because they're doing something you disagree with, are they "meek" for doing something you agree with, or is choosing a middle path necessarily meekness?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by asquabventured »

snicksnak wrote: post #96
nickysielicki wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

Cancel culture should be renamed cancer culture! It is TOXIC

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by claaams »

drcongo wrote: post #83
snurfer wrote: post #76

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Look on the bright side: people are talking about (and thinking about) topics they might not normally be exposed to. The blame for lack of critical thought skills might fall more upon our parents and educators than Joe Rogan.

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He has conservative conspiracy extremists (and white ethno-fascists) on his show, amplifying their insane ideology, and he avoids any responsibility or blame for it.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sethhochberg »

temp667 wrote: post #141
nickysielicki wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-tra... > One of the submitted questions was "Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" Another was “Why has Spotify chosen to ignore Spectrum ERG's guidance about transphobic content in the JRE catalog?,” referring to a group of Spotify work…

What is Spectrum ERG? Most corps do follow guidance from legal / HR etc to a degree - it's weird if that was being ignored.

"ERG" in this context is probably an Employee Resource Group - a pretty common construct at larger organizations. Think of them as a formal way for employees with some kind of shared set of goals or concerns to organize and support each other, usually completely distinct from their actual job function.

ERGs often have some kind of liaison from HR, especially since they are often associated with diversity programs. But the ERG itself is usually just advisory if they're consulted on something the company is doing.

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