For 2M years, humans ate meat and little else: study

Post by TheCoelacanth » Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

failwhaleshark wrote: post #130

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #110

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there are a lot of micronutrients that humans depend on that can be easy to miss out on when you switch to a vegan diet. but this is the case with any "extreme" diet.

Name even one that cannot be sourced except from animals. Micros: - Vitamins: A, B[1,2,3,5,6,7,9,12], C, D, E, K - Minerals: Ca, P, Mg, Na, Cl, K, S - Trace minerals: Fe, Mn, Cu, Zn, I, F, Se Or even macros: - Glucose - Fiber - Lipids - Essential amino acids (EAA's): his, ile, leu, lys, met, phe, thr, trp, val - Conditionally-essential amino acids (CEAA's): arg, cys, gln, gly, pro, tyr Your definition of "extreme" is…

They didn't say "cannot be sourced except from animals". They said "easy to miss out on". You're arguing against a strawman.

Anyone switching to a vegan diet certainly would be well-advised to pay attention to micro-nutrients and make sure they have their bases covered.

Post by failwhaleshark » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 2:50 AM UTC

t0mbstone wrote: post #140

failwhaleshark wrote: post #137

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Oxalates are an anti-nutrient. You don't eat a bunch of oxalate-containing foods or Vitamin C like spinach, soy, almonds, or beets, that was your mistake, not the type of diet. People can give themselves gout from eating foods high in purines. Is that the fault of a carnivorous diet? It's the same as idiots who go on extreme, no-food fasting diets and give themselves gallstones because they don't have any lipid intak…

Yep... It was definitely my fault for doing the vegan diet "wrong", but it was also really easy to do it wrong on accident, which people need to be aware of. I thought I was doing the right things. I was taking a multivitamin and supplementing my B12 according to common vegan recommendations. Nobody mentioned the possibility of kidney stones though!

Hey, that's okay. Maybe try it again with different aspects. I had a neighbor in the college dorms who went vegan without any research, and gave himself depression and other psychological/neurological problems (probably a lack of B12). I think it's wise to get blood tests after major dietary changes to be sure everything is good.

Personally, I'm a lazy vegetarian, not a vegan per se. I really want to give up dairy, but cheeses are soo darn tasty. I have a single 6 mm kidney stone from chronic high cortisol levels, not diet (according to doctors).

Other things I do:

- Gender-specific multivitamin

- Vegan B complex

- Vegan 10k IU avg per day D3 + K MTK-7 (once a week 50k IU + using up 5k I still have)

- Magnesium citrate (prevention of kidney stones and magnesium)

- No HFCS, limit sugary products, and not adding salt (semi-keto). I get plenty of I, Na, and Cl from other foods

- Unsalted pistachios

- Unsalted cashews (very few because oxalates and gas)

- Roasted, unsalted pumpkin seeds (pepitas)

- Omega-3 foods

- Cook using avocado oil or butter

- Fresh olive oil when added without cooking

- Water, lots of water (reverse osmosis water store subscription since I live in an apartment)

- Intermittent fasting (40 lbs. / 18 kg to lose)

- Veg like broccoli and plain potato

- Limit salt, spinach, sweet potato, chocolate, tea, some nuts esp. almonds (which are also the second leading cause of breaking teeth after ice)

- Excess vitamin C creates oxalates endogenously. Megadosing it is the surest way to kidney stones

There ought to be a book: Safer Diets and Fasting: What you need to know

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