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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by smhost »

chr1 wrote: post #126
smhost wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Images of child abuse are not child abuse have you talked to those children and asked whether or not they think publically displaying and selling images of their abuse is abuse?

Do you mean that images that are hand drawn or generated by neural net should be handled differently?

probably depends on what the training set was, or whether the hand-drawn image is similar enough to a person's appearance to convince a jury or something, but that's a technical point. i'm objecting on old-fashioned moralist grounds to the psycho who's advocating for legalizing child pornography.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by [deleted] »

InCoffeeWeTrust wrote: post #130

Almost every entity has oversight measures implemented to safeguard it from criminal negligence. The laws in the Netherlands need to be updated to ensure that data hosting centres and their owners can't get away with criminal negligence. And to everyone complaining about this with a "but my free speech" excuse - there are extensive legal procedures which ensure that allegations of criminal negligence are conducted op…

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by 0cVlTeIATBs »

sennight wrote: post #113
breakingcups wrote: post #108

Somehow, when the following two sentences are put together I lose all hope in the world's incentive structure: "Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. [...] Companies would have to respond to a notification from the child pornography hotline without discussion within 24 hours" "In 2015, Ecatel became embroiled in a lengthy conflict with the Premier League in the UK over claims of illegal streaming of football m…

How fast does the ban hammer need to be to restore your hope? You know that "porn filtration", regularly used to justify state censorship, always ends up filtering speech that the state just doesn't want heard? I forget from where the latest porn blacklist leaked, either NZ or AU, but it was full of sites the likes of WikiLeaks.

I believe GP's criticism is the imbalance in priority which hints at how money has leverage in the courts.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by rangibaby »

fallingknife wrote: post #6

> When the hoster receives an official request from the US to remove copyrighted materials – a DMCA takedown notice – the men do nothing about it, says a person who saw it happen. „DMCAs are just tossed in the wastepaper basket.” Subletters even advertise this ‘service’. „DMCA ignored” reads one advertisement offering space in the „state of the art Ecatel DataCenter, located in Amsterdam”. The Dutch hosting company d…

> The Dutch hosting company doesn't obey US law. My god! Can you believe these assholes? Running a hosting company that just hosts, and doesn't snoop into what their customers are doing? And how dare they make enforcement agencies actually go through the required legal processes to enforce the law!

That reminds me a lot of the saga of Kim Dotcom

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by ahepp »

irq wrote: post #81
alejandrojaez wrote: post #69

what about the isp companies they use for connect the datacenter?

Read the article. > If the companies that give IP Volume access to the rest of the internet were all to decide to stop doing so, the company could no longer operate on the internet. This is called de-peering, and it does occur very sporadically. > But it is highly controversial, says Guilmette. It flies in the face of the voluntary, decentralised structure of the internet. That is why the largest hub, the Amsterdam I…

I can sympathize with the argument I guess, but isn't that exactly what IP Volume is also saying?

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by exporectomy »

kernoble wrote: post #102
nightwing wrote: post #93

I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

It would help if people critical of the distribution of child porn would make rational arguments without displaying obvious anger but this is a topic that somehow brings out the hate in people. You're just revealing that you don't have the ability to objectively consider what you're talking about and your opinion is worth no more than a Christian's negative opinion of blasphemy. Are you OK with people using God's name in vain? Seriously? The same God that gave you life? See how silly that argument is.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by [deleted] »

InCoffeeWeTrust wrote: post #130

Almost every entity has oversight measures implemented to safeguard it from criminal negligence. The laws in the Netherlands need to be updated to ensure that data hosting centres and their owners can't get away with criminal negligence. And to everyone complaining about this with a "but my free speech" excuse - there are extensive legal procedures which ensure that allegations of criminal negligence are conducted op…

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by Macha »

breakingcups wrote: post #108

Somehow, when the following two sentences are put together I lose all hope in the world's incentive structure: "Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. [...] Companies would have to respond to a notification from the child pornography hotline without discussion within 24 hours" "In 2015, Ecatel became embroiled in a lengthy conflict with the Premier League in the UK over claims of illegal streaming of football m…

A similar example:

> In the UK, ISPs are legally forced to block certain types of websites, such as those hosting copyright-infringing or trademarked content. Some ISPs also block other sites at their discretion, such as those that show extremist content, adult images, and child pornography. These latter blocks are voluntary and are not the same across the UK, but most ISPs usually tend to block child abuse content.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-isp-group-names-mozilla-int...

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by nightwing »

obedm wrote: post #112
nightwing wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

"images of child abuse are not child abuse". Right. Because those images were just created magically? Someone took them. And there's a market for them. If there's no market for such pictures, likely less children will suffer the consequences. Fighting the crime directly is important, but so is doing it indirectly. Read about the suicide rates in the UK by women before and after the country changed the type of gas sto…

The law handles drawings and 3d graphics the same way as real images.

The attempt to fight indirectly clearly had not succeeded so far. And most often is used as a pretext for introducing mechanisms that afterwards are used for censorship.

I don't advocate for one policy or another. In fact i'd be happy if i was wrong and the fight with numbers was actually useful, but logic tells that it isn't.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by vinay427 »

jerrysievert wrote: post #59
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you not take spirits, wine, or beer (sealed) on a flight in the EU? EDIT: Removed question about duty free, answered by replies below. Odd, as in the US, there is no limit if in your checked baggage if below 24% ABV, and 5 liters if 24% - 70% (carry on has much stricter limits [3.4oz or less that can fit comfortably in one quart-sized, clear, zip-top bag], but is still permitted). https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2019/06…

when flying back from china, the duty free shop asked me what my next airport was (Seattle) and whether it was a connecting flight or not (it was). at that point, they told me that they wouldn't sell me anything, as I would have it confiscated. they were correct, the international arrivals required another bag check to enter the domestic part of the airport, that had the stringent TSA rules (after you went through cu…

Just to confirm, you had a bag check for checked baggage after customs and before your domestic flight, and this was done by the TSA? I've flown into and around the US countless times, including international to domestic connections at SEA, and have never heard of this.

Not doubting your experience because policies change, but every US airport I've flown into has customs and immigration after an international flight, and after re-checking in your hold baggage if you have any, virtually all then route you to the normal TSA check before a domestic flight unless there's an airside transfer option directly to the gates.

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