Cool app! Just as a quick idea, you might want to make sure you compress your 4.4MB bundle before sending it to a client. Splitting your bundle might help for the initial page load, too.
Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
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Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#142Are there plans for self-hosted versions? That's pretty much the "if I will use it or not" question for me. Atlassian's killing of their self-hosted solutions for smaller companies is just really a shame.
We've been waiting on this a bit to see if there's much demand for this and so far the answer has been "not much" but we're open to the idea. So the answer is "not right now". Good news I don't think it would be super tough for us since we're built using pretty boring tech (i.e. not a lot of dependencies on a particular cloud vendor), don't have a bajillion microservices, etc.
Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
We've been waiting on this a bit to see if there's much demand for this and so far the answer has been "not much" but we're open to the idea. So the answer is "not right now". Good news I don't think it would be super tough for us since we're built using pretty boring tech (i.e. not a lot of dependencies on a particular cloud vendor), don't have a bajillion microservices, etc.
Regulated industry here, we can't use it if we can't self-host it.
Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#144Exciting to see alternatives popping up. I’d be curious to know the feature parity in percentage with Jira features. Jira is for better and worse.. deep and complex to handle a lot of depth and complexity.
Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#145Are there plans for self-hosted versions? That's pretty much the "if I will use it or not" question for me. Atlassian's killing of their self-hosted solutions for smaller companies is just really a shame.
We've been waiting on this a bit to see if there's much demand for this and so far the answer has been "not much" but we're open to the idea. So the answer is "not right now". Good news I don't think it would be super tough for us since we're built using pretty boring tech (i.e. not a lot of dependencies on a particular cloud vendor), don't have a bajillion microservices, etc.
If you haven't seen a lot of demand for a self-hosted version, you might have beem asking the wrong people. Non-cloud advocates and companies with regulatory on-prem requirements tend to not be the loudest in the room for a myriad of reasons.
It's also unpopular and thus a waste of time to argue for self-hosted solutions in a room (or world) full of cloud-first evangelists with dollar-signs in their eyes.
It's just the fashion right now and fashions rarely care about being practical or affordable or safe for the average person, let alone any edge cases.
Why I am saying this: I want to strongly encourage you (and any software vendor really) to build and offer an affordable self-hosted version of your software. The demand is there, believe me, and if word spreads that your solution is a viable on-prem solution, interested parties will come out of the woodwork, you can be sure of that.
On-prem users tend to think more long-term because they (have to) invest more manpower, organizational knowledge and hardware into an on-prem deployment. So they tend to be less fickle and flighty than cloud customers and think long and hard before selecting a solution. However, as a result they tend to be loyal long-term customers and and such can be worth a dozen or more cloud-based customers. Might be worth considering.
Personally, we've planned to move away from Jira before 2022 exactly because of Atlassian's decisions to in effect kill its on-prem versions (by pricing them out of range for everyone but large enterprises customers with money to burn). So I can guarantee that Kitemaker will get a fair consideration (I just saved your page) if it offers an attractively priced on-prem edition before 2022 :-)
Good luck with your product, I do agree that it looks very slick and I will continue to watch with interest.
Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
We've been waiting on this a bit to see if there's much demand for this and so far the answer has been "not much" but we're open to the idea. So the answer is "not right now". Good news I don't think it would be super tough for us since we're built using pretty boring tech (i.e. not a lot of dependencies on a particular cloud vendor), don't have a bajillion microservices, etc.
Late to the game but another vote from me. If you haven't seen a lot of demand for a self-hosted version, you might have beem asking the wrong people. Non-cloud advocates and companies with regulatory on-prem requirements tend to not be the loudest in the room for a myriad of reasons. It's also unpopular and thus a waste of time to argue for self-hosted solutions in a room (or world) full of cloud-first evangelists w…
Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#147Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#148First time user. Couple of feedback 1. One thing I liked about this tool was I felt less complex UI. It's like it is simpler as trello. Other tons of PM tools does have complexity which feels me less comfortable using product 2. The loading time for opening app after user has logged in is something that I wasn't used to. The loading screen kept showing until 20-25 secs. Anyways, a great experience using this product
Thanks for the feedback! And sorry you experienced long loading times. It should definitely not take that long to load so maybe we were getting hugged hard when you tried. Would you mind trying again to see if it's better at all?
Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#149How do you justify being more expensive than even Jira Cloud? IMO if you can't beat Jira on pricing while positioning yourself as an alternative to the market leader you've already lost, no matter how technically fancy your product is.
Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams
#150How do you justify being more expensive than even Jira Cloud? IMO if you can't beat Jira on pricing while positioning yourself as an alternative to the market leader you've already lost, no matter how technically fancy your product is.
Thanks for the feedback! Pricing is always a challenge and we set the price based on surveying other products in this space. So far our paying customers have had no complaints about the price. But that being said, we'll for sure keep thinking about it as we move forward and grow.