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In legal terms yes, but monopolies should be regulated for a good reason. How about your water supply company cutting you off, because they don't like that poster on your house?

Google is hardly a monopoly in the mobile OS market. They have around 50% market in the US. How would you say that it is a monopoly?

The mobile OS market is a duopoly and only because it's the closes thing to a monopoly they can have without being broken up. Hence Google and Apple can have such high fees which sucks for consumers and app developers, etc. Within their own platform (the android app market) they are a monopoly.

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Ugh. Why do we even need an app store exactly? Visit site. Click download app. Click install. This pattern has worked for 20 years. What changed? Nothing. Google and apple just decided it wanted a walled garden and ya'll said ooo shiny.

Though I share your sentiments, that pattern worked very well at infecting machines with malware for 20 years because the average user is a bad judge of which sites to trust to install software on their device. Then again, app stores haven't solved the malware problem, and neither have solutions like trusted publishers / signing executables / etc. I look forward to seeing a solution that isn't worst-of-both-worlds.

What fixed that is sandboxing. It's not really clear how much app stores do. And in fairness to Google, their malware scanning system is not tied to their app store. Stuff installed outside the store gets scanned too.

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The US Constitution only applies within the US, it offers no rights in other territories and Google's actions might be in violation with laws in those territories

In which I support and actively encourage Google to exercise their right to pull out of those territories—entirely.

They of course have that right, but they have made a choice to expand into new territories and have to obey those laws

They've knowingly entered other markets and if they fail to follow the law there, they're on the hook for it - even if they decide to leave after the fact

I understand you support Google's right to choose where they do their business - I support that as well. Do you also support sovereign states to pursue legal action against a corporate entity, that willfully breaks their laws?

If Google would rather leave than uphold my rights, then I'll be happy to see them leave

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Though I share your sentiments, that pattern worked very well at infecting machines with malware for 20 years because the average user is a bad judge of which sites to trust to install software on their device. Then again, app stores haven't solved the malware problem, and neither have solutions like trusted publishers / signing executables / etc. I look forward to seeing a solution that isn't worst-of-both-worlds.

I remember installing software before app stores. Everyone was always afraid of malware but very few people I knew ever suffered from it. Most people used anti virus software, asked their friends which programs they recommended, or did some research of their own to figure out what was safe to download. All that was probably at least as effective as the “curation” that app stores provide. The problem is that now a lot…

> Everyone was always afraid of malware but very few people I knew ever suffered from it. Most people used anti virus software, asked their friends which programs they recommended, or did some research of their own to figure out what was safe to download. All that was probably at least as effective as the “curation” that app stores provide.

That’s the opposite of my experience. I remember lots of malware - toolbars, search engine defaults, using malware bytes, ccleaner, antivirus programs, and a bunch of other crap I can’t remember to de-malware my older relatives’ computers when I was a kid. There was no way to prevent my elders from getting malware on their Windows computers, because they just had to click on everything.

Then iOS came out and I never spent another minute dealing with uninstalling and scanning for malware. Any software problems were solved by deleting the app, or turning the device off and on.

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On a side note... (side note!! sheesh!)

"Polyamory ...is the practice of, or desire for, intimate relationships with more than one partner, with the informed consent of all partners involved"

Sounds good, and has been the case for thousands of years.

But modern dating apps and social media are pushing us back to this practice in quite a big (and informal) way.

Its innate female nature for women to choose the best men (height, fitness, wealth, status, strength), and that's a good thing for the species!

But before the advent of social media and dating apps, they would settle for just average guys too.

Dating apps and social media has made it so that all women can now access that top 20% of men quite easily and completely ignore the bottom 80%.

This has lead to the counterculture rise of red pill, incel, mg-tow, etc.

I'm not on this one side or the other.

I'm just noticing there are more Polyamory type apps and behavior out there now, driven by technology.

Do you notice it too?

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There are no solutions for suspensions from app stores. The solution is to not use app stores -- build better webapps, use the open web. We could be living in a world where no open web ever existed, where everything would be filtered through app stores and closed environments like Facebook (AOL). We need to preserve the open web, it is our most precious ressource.

Even though a webapp is much safer in that regards than appstore, you still don't have 100% control, because of things like safebrowsing etc.

Yeah. This is a point I've been hammering for a long time now. The problems here are not technology related and it's a mistake to look for technological fixes. The same companies that can ban apps from an app store can also ban websites at the drop of a hat, and do. However their behaviour currently when banning websites is considered to be a legitimate use of power, so it attracts no attention.

There is nothing anywhere that would stop Google just adding websites it doesn't like to the SafeBrowsing blacklist. It's just a social convention that they don't. Yet, social conventions have been repeatedly ripped up over the last 10 years or so by political activists who abuse the word "safe" to mean "ideologically acceptable to us". SafeBrowsing is thus a very dangerous thing because Google's management has shown no ability so far to get a grip on the activist wing of their workforce.

Fortunately, there are two mitigating factors.

One is that Chrome at least on desktop lets you disable SafeBrowsing. Of course, they can change that just as easily as they can change the social norms around how it's used.

Another is that Microsoft has built a successful fork of Chromium. I'm using new Edge on macOS right now. It's not merely using Blink, it's actually Chrome but modified and is very serviceable indeed. In fact they just added vertical tabs. Microsoft seems, at least so far, to have avoided the worst of the culture wars and suspicions of bias. If Google did start to abuse Chrome, people who understood what was happening could quickly switch to Edge. Of course, iOS users are out of luck, as always.

However it may be too fatalistic to assume Android apps cannot be distributed outside the store. I've been hearing "people don't install apps anymore" for years now and it's never motivated with real data, just intuitions and anecdotes. People install apps all the time. The biggest breakout hit of the last decade was Minecraft which violated every aspect of hacker groupthink at once: desktop-first, no mobile version, distributed outside app stores, written in Java, no VC backing. I think people talk themselves into believing this isn't possible, but if people want to install an app, they'll do it. Companies that believe they can't survive without app store distribution are typically offering something completely undifferentiated. I don't know how many dating services there are for the polyamorous but I guess there can't be that many. All it takes on Android is to tick a single box and you can install apps (I'm not sure how they can self-update, but nothing stops you dynamically downloading code into your app on Android).

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post #114

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Ugh. Why do we even need an app store exactly? Visit site. Click download app. Click install. This pattern has worked for 20 years. What changed? Nothing. Google and apple just decided it wanted a walled garden and ya'll said ooo shiny.

You can still do that on android if you want. I still like to have an option of walled garden platform where everything is vetted so flashlight app wont dump every single thing that I have on the phone just because it can. That would be a problem if we would have no choice, but that is not the case.

Sandboxing and permissioned APIs for accessing data is what prevents that, not the half-assed vetting that Google does.

Re: Google Play store bans polyamory dating app

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On a side note... (side note!! sheesh!) "Polyamory ...is the practice of, or desire for, intimate relationships with more than one partner, with the informed consent of all partners involved" Sounds good, and has been the case for thousands of years. But modern dating apps and social media are pushing us back to this practice in quite a big (and informal) way. Its innate female nature for women to choose the best men…

i don’t think that increased access to “top tier” men is the root cause of this feeling. it seems to me like choices for women around partners were largely made for them for most of history. this led to men from wealth and power to define the “good” traits. the traits we defined were largely based on status.

now that access to people with these traits is no longer based on who a woman’s guardian knows, but what’s available in the market a lot of dudes feel left out.

i really think this is an issue men caused, entrenched into our society, and then shot themselves in the foot when they lost control of the market supply.

if you don’t want the 80/20 thing to exist, stop furthering the narrative and push for non-physical traits to have the greatest value. i think an emotionally available, driven and focused, and caring person is way better for a partner than a hot rich one. as long as most people don’t feel that way we are stuck in the system we built ourselves

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