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Docker Raises $23M

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Re: Docker Raises $23M

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It has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Microsoft offered to acquire Yahoo for $44.6 billion dollars in 2008 [1]. Jerry* Yang turned them down claiming the offer "substantially undervalued" the company. 8 years later they sold to Verizon for $5 billion [2]. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/yahoo-rejects-microsofts-bid/ [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2016/07/25/yahoo-s... *I incorrectly said Andrew…

I think that's Jerry Yang.

facepalm You are correct, I will update. That's what I get for trying to remember names from 12 years ago.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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From [1] > This is a Virtual Vault release of HP-UX, providing enhanced security features. Virtual Vault is a compartmentalised operating system in which each file is assigned a compartment and processes only have access to files in the appropriate compartment and unlike most other UNIX systems the superuser (or root) does not have complete access to the system without following correct procedures. It's cgroup + chro…

And Slack is just IRC for people who don't know better am I right?

It pretty much is. A lot of people still use Git GUIs and automatic transmission has handily beaten manual transmission in the US - not everyone understands or even wants to understand the tech they use.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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I just wish Windows has built-in Docker so that i don't need to install anything like wsl,... Make docker run on bare-metal Windows is a huge improvement to my life !

Why? WSL or VM is stupid because it costs around 5-6GB of RAM without doing anything.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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There's also, though, things like K8S not using Docker, podman becoming popular, etc. Neither is a definitive nail, but it does erode Docker's moat a bit.

K8S uses containerd which is the official Docker runtime.

The difference being that Google has deprecated the shimming to Docker they had been doing with the “Docker” runtime to access containerd, so now it will go straight to the source by default.

Red Hat OpenShift also switched from using Docker as its runtime with OpenShift 4 in 2019, though it was in favor of CRI-O rather than containerd.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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post #130

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And Slack is just IRC for people who don't know better am I right?

It pretty much is. A lot of people still use Git GUIs and automatic transmission has handily beaten manual transmission in the US - not everyone understands or even wants to understand the tech they use.

Point being that there is value in the abstraction, people value it, people pay for it. I know how to use a stick shift and I'll still pay for automatic for the ease of use.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Im still a little surprised Microsoft hasn't bought Docker (or one of the other big compute-infra players).

Why bother? They have their own container management infrastructure.

Inbound marketing and developer mind share. Seamless integration between docker tooling and Azure etc etc.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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I really see this as trying to buy enough time for someone to rescue the investors, maybe the founders and definitely not the employees with an acquihire.

Docker is a good example of a company that (IMHO) should never have raised so much capital. It just doesn't have the moat to justify the valuation.

HN has posted several submissions (eg [1]). Containers aren't new. Anyone can do it. So where is the moat? Possibilities include orchestration (which they lost to Google's Kubernetes). There's no barrier to creating images or even having a public registry of images.

It always seemed tike containers were just going to be another feature on cloud platforms. Don't get me wrong: I think containers are a really good technology, for building, testing, deployment and so on.

Docker never had a clear value add and over the years has failed to develop one.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22244706

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Considering how entrenched Docker has been in global tech infrastructure for so many years, I automatically assumed that the company was worth billions already, but guess not. I wonder why they haven't been bought out by Microsoft or Google, if nothing else then just for the talent.

This is the challenge with taking venture dollars, your interests aren't aligned.

As a founder post Series B you probably have at least 10% of the business, that's a nice $400MM payout coming your way.

But if the VC invested at a $1B price, picks up 10% and 80% of their return goes to their LPs they are personally pocketing much less.

So it is advantageous for them to continue to shoot for the stars rather than sell short. Plus they have multiple bets going on at the same time while the founders only have one.

So a $4B acquisition nets the founder $400MM, but and the VC firm is picking up $300MM of which 80% is going back to LPs, leaving $60MM for the partnership, perhaps split 3-7 ways, with maybe a kicker for the partner that sourced and led the investment.

So let's say that's roughly $10MM going to the VC partner.

Well you got one person staring at $400MM and another staring at $10MM.

The interests aren't quite aligned.

Also survivorship bias has us focused on companies that turned down acquisition offers and made it big, like Facebook, Google, Netflix, Snapchat, and so forth, but we don't really hear about the companies that turn down the offer and then fail to meet that acquisition price later, because that story just doesn't sell as well and the company fades into irrelevance so it isn't a piece that is picked up often.

Certainly at the time it could have been a good decision given how new the market was and the potential upside, but obviously hindsight is 20/20.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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I just wish Windows has built-in Docker so that i don't need to install anything like wsl,... Make docker run on bare-metal Windows is a huge improvement to my life ! Why? WSL or VM is stupid because it costs around 5-6GB of RAM without doing anything.

WSL is not even close to 5-6GB of RAM.

My current instance of Ubuntu 20.04 is hogging around 1200MB while running rust-analyzer and some other devtools.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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And Slack is just IRC for people who don't know better am I right?

It pretty much is. A lot of people still use Git GUIs and automatic transmission has handily beaten manual transmission in the US - not everyone understands or even wants to understand the tech they use.

Interesting analogy vs car transmission. I always find auto frustrating because it doesn’t give me the love of control I’m comfortable with ...
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