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Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I really like System76, and what they're trying to do. But their mediocre laptop keyboards are always the deal breaker for me--it's the chief human interface, and the one component I don't want to compromise on.

> and what they're trying to do

What is it that they're trying to do? Sell re-branded Sager laptops?

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I was/am thinkpad user also. I have migrated to desktops. They are cheap enough to have one at the office and one at home. Sure the above wont work for everybody, but if you are like me, you unpacked the laptop at home and at work each day at exactly the same space, where all the cables and extra monitors were. I used to use laptop in coffee shops and outdoors, but nowadays between phone, and tablets (wel phone and k…

My main reason to go for a laptop was that I wanted to continue coding where I left off and not have to worry about differing settings and system configuration. Did you solve those problems? and if so how?

3 machines Syncthing setup between desktop, laptop and a cloud instance in case laptop wasn't on to sync and the desktop is off for some reason. It takes about 15s from connecting the laptop to the internet to having the files synced to it. Just need to remember to save files in emacs.

Setting up Syncthing in the cloud was a challenge, had to tunnel the web-ui with ssh port forwarding.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I can't speak to the 4700u or the pangolin specifically, but I can offer this perspective on PopOS/AMD: I've been using System76's PopOS with my Asus Zephyrus G14 (4800hs) as a daily driver and I really like it. (freelance/web) The battery life is comparable to Windows (on integrated graphics mode, it has graphics switching available)at 7-10 hours with 70% brightness and balanced power settings using VScode and firef…

I was considering to buy a G14, but got distracted with other stuff. Can you please share a few details on how you use it?

- What kind of external webcam do you use? Does it have any problem with any video-conferencing software?

- Do you access any streaming service (with DRM)? Any issues?

- Any issues with drivers, returning from sleep/hybernation?

Thanks!

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I'm on the same boat as you: my ideal laptop would be an x220/x230 on the outside with a 1440p display and a modern CPU on the inside. I can't understand why Thinkpads are moving away from this absolutely perfect design in the name of... slickness? Why are laptops with a minimal (or non-existing) touchpad so difficult to find? Once you start using the trackpoint your wrists feel incredibly relaxed at all times. Why d…

The X1 nano is the same width and height as a X220 but half the thickness and significantly lighter. The X13 is very close to that too on the lower end. What would you change in those? Having been a user of the old X lines throughout the years the current X/T and X1 lines seem like a definite improvement to me. And I also use the trackpoint exclusively.

I own both the x230 and the x395 (which is, externally, almost the same as the x13) and I can definitely feel a difference when typing on the much more comfortable x230.

It's mainly due to two factors: 1) thanks to having a very small touchpad, the keyboard is closer to the edge and I feel much less strain on the lower part of the arm, near my wrists, which becomes more apparent after long coding sessions; and 2) the key travel is much longer and typing feels "better" (I make far less mistakes).

Also, because the x395 is almost half the thickness, they could not fit a bigger battery (which is definitely my main complaint on these newer machines).

Don't get me wrong, the "X" series is great and I will probably get the latest version when I need a replacement *but* I'm sad they make these sacrifices in the name of "design".

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Yikes that keyboard. Small right-shift key, weird narrow numpad, off-center trackpad. Do people actually like that kind of layout? It seems pretty awful to me. I'd prefer no numpad at all and a full size shift key with half-height arrow keys. If I want a numpad, that's what desktop keyboards are for, or a USB numpad.

I have a laptop with that basically that exact same keyboard. It's not too bad. In practice, I find the flush surface hidden mouse buttons to be more problematic. I would never want a numeric keypad on a laptop, but apparently it's a selling feature and it's near impossible to find a larger-screen laptop without one.

I find whether minor things like the off-center trackpad bug me tends to reflect more about my current state of mind than anything else.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

#146

I really like System76, and what they're trying to do. But their mediocre laptop keyboards are always the deal breaker for me--it's the chief human interface, and the one component I don't want to compromise on.

Yeah it's telling that on the specs page, the keyboard doesn't even get a mention.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

#147
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Is this system better than, say, Lenovo Legion 5 or HP Envy, they have similar price, are those System76 laptop offer better build quality, etc?

I have owned multiple S76 machines - the machine was built by Clio? The guts were good, but the case was chintsy. I had four of these laptops - and on ALL 4 they would have screws come loose and fall out inside the case. You could hear it rattling around when you turned the machine. Two of them had one type of connector for the screen and the other two had a different connector - One got fried and on the other I brok…

As a counter-anecdote:

I'm typing this on a 7 or 8 year old s76 Gazelle. It was my primary work and personal machine for 3 or 4 years and has been my primary personal machine since. I did replace the original drive with an SSD, and I think I may need to replace the fans---they're getting loud. Hardware- and build-quality-wise, I've never had any problems. (Well, ok, I killed one of the USB ports. Probably broke some of the connections.)

The one problem I have had is with the NVidia graphics, which have never worked properly. (I've got graphics acceleration disabled now.) Either it wouldn't go to sleep, or the graphics wouldn't wake up. The last straw was when I got those problems beaten into a standstill, and Chrome started somehow overriding my window manager and keeping the (accelerated) Chrome window front and center, minus WM decorations.

Sure, it's a generic Clio or something, but I've been very impressed. Never had much love for HP, though.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I like my System76 desktop but I've had plenty of issues with their laptops, and I really dislike a numpad on a laptop.

given the size of the unit it makes sense to have a numpad, no? What would you put instead?

Just put the keyboard in the centre, there's no rule that you need to make use of the whole surface.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I have owned multiple S76 machines - the machine was built by Clio? The guts were good, but the case was chintsy. I had four of these laptops - and on ALL 4 they would have screws come loose and fall out inside the case. You could hear it rattling around when you turned the machine. Two of them had one type of connector for the screen and the other two had a different connector - One got fried and on the other I brok…

> HP support is AMAZING. Can anyone else back this up? Has HP changed? I've sworn off HP products (both enterprise and consumer) because of their terrible customer service and documentation. Dell/Lenovo always offer something very similar in price and performance, and their enterprise support is fine to great.

I might have just hit the HP Support Jackpot. But it was hands down the best experience I have had between machine manufacturers - HP/Sun/S76/Dell/Apple etc...

I was completely dumbfounded when HP just said "we are going to send you a new machine, at no cost, please pick from this list...

And I picked this dope Omen machine and when I opened it up to look at the guts and put in a second SSD, I was taken aback by the elegant symmetry of the design. The only downside is that even though the sound is "bang & olufsen" - its a bit too quiet.

However, the support guy on my case was dope, and I love this machine

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

#150

Why aren't there any bold laptop manufacturers? This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily, a meh panel, and no particular standout design features. Why do I have to get a mac if I want actually good design? System76 should take a risk and truly make an interesting laptop. leaving the standard, boring design to the big name companies.

> This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily

Seems like the reasonable choice, given that host-side USB-C is still dead in the water.

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