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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by Y_Y »

the_duke wrote: post #119
keiferski wrote: post #109

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YouTube is filled with so many interesting little channels. I wish the algorithms highlighted them more. I remember one channel of an old guy just smoking a cigar for an hour. Said nothing, just sat there. There were thousands of videos of him doing this, going back years. I don’t remember the name of it, unfortunately.

Can you share a few? YouTube always seems to stick me in a bubble and never recommends any worthwhile new channels.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

ttyprintk wrote: post #128
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #80

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Look at California Prop 16 for a concrete example. It was universally supported by left-wing groups, endorsed by the Chamber of Commerce broadly and by many of the state's biggest companies individually, passed the legislature with 75%, but failed at the ballot box with only a touch above 40% in favor. When policies left-wing groups favor are that much more popular among business and government leaders than among the…

I don’t know about that specific legislation. The effect you describe makes me think that business and government are, in fact, right leaning. When left-wing groups agree with right-leaning govt and business, perhaps the general public is a bit wary of bipartisan policies. An argument like: If it’s popular among partisans of both parties, then it must be particularly exploitative of the general public.

Prop 16 was certainly not a bipartisan policy - the Republican party strongly opposed it, and all their legislators voted against it.

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Post by kilroy123 »

keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

How ironic you need to click on a link to Harvard.edu. What times we live in.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> I have never owned any mobile phone

Eschewing a mobile phone has been pretty counterculture these recent years, but I think we are close to a point where it will no longer be sustainable, at least for anyone wanting to cross borders – or depending on the country, even enter a restaurant or concert. Several governments have announced that their vaccine passports will exist as mobile phone apps, because paper certificates are too easily forged.

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

rsj_hn wrote: post #124
potta_coffee wrote: post #74

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It seems somewhat counter-cultural to not have social media and tv, though rejecting those things doesn't define a culture. I've had visitors to my house that realize I don't have a TV and they assume I'm some kind of judgemental weirdo.

I own a computer monitor I can use for gaming, streaming TV shows or movies, or just a bigger screen for my laptop. That's the only standalone powered screen I own, but honestly I don't see any difference between that and a regular TV. TV is about watching television shows regardless of whether they are downloaded from the internet, piped through a cable channel, or received with an antenna. Similarly people that don…

There is a big difference between selecting content and watching it; and having a selection of curated streams. Autoplay on youtube definitely hacks away at this difference, which is probably why youtube keeps turning autoplay on for me after I turn it off.

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Post by simonh »

kodah wrote: post #132

There's definitely an old internet culture that eschews social media and it has seemed to grow (again) over the years. One example is Freenode: - The network has some moderation, but bans are last resorts where on social media bans and temporary bans are part of the process. - Much of the moderation is left to channel operators and guides are given by the network on how to moderate. - Much of the network is apolitica…

You just described the internet I've been using for almost 30 years, split across various online forums, including this one. Couldn't agree more. I've managed to find a good handful of very high signal to noise Reddit topics too. G+ was good while it lasted.

The trick is to have specific interests you care about and track down that community. They're out there. The encouraging thing is my kinds have found their own communities online and among friends without my help. They use Discord, Twitch, a bit of instagram and such. They're tech savvy geeks though, if somewhat differently geeky to myself. They know what they're interested in and look for that because most of mass culture is just occasionally amusing background noise to them. I'm very encouraged.

I often see people bemoaning the passing of the old internet, but for me it's all still out there and thriving. Several new layers of it have developed too. It's just not the only, or 'biggest' internet anymore.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

bena wrote: post #138
pjc50 wrote: post #42

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Kpop stans are a live example of a subculture, if not a counterculture, that teenagers may be familiar with.

I wouldn't call them a counterculture by any stretch of the imagination. Kpop is deliberately manufactured culture. The personalities and music are meticulously curated by corporations. "Underground Kpop" is practically an oxymoron like a "married bachelor" would be. And that's not to insult or knock it.

Listening to KPop in a country where it is not a major genre, might still be counterculture. Think back to the 1960s and 1970s: a lot of the American rock 'n' roll even then was curated, but those young people in the Soviet Union, say, or Morocco who started listening to it where definitely seen as a counterculture within their own country.

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Post by clairity »

helen___keller wrote: post #91
mdoms wrote: post #30

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Counter culture should make you uncomfortable. Otherwise what's it counter to? By the way, a lot of people here seem to think that the term "counter culture" has positive connotations. It doesn't, necessarily.

> By the way, a lot of people here seem to think that the term "counter culture" has positive connotations. It doesn't, necessarily. I would expand on this to say: If society and culture are unjust, then to be moral and just necessitates dipping into counterculture. Example: Participating in the underground railroad would be counter-culture in a society built on slavery. If society and culture are truly just, then th…

this was an interesting point until,

> "I would argue that society now is substantially more just than it was for most of human history, and consequently this reflects back on the sort of counter-culture that exists."

that's a pretty broad claim, implying that the current counterculture is necessarily unjust because our current society is so relatively just. it's really difficult, likely impossible, to show how the justice delta is irrefutably positive now (not to mention the cutural-to-countercultural delta is negative). this instead likely merits an examination of perceptions and biases, especially of dichotomous reasoning, leading to that belief.

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Post by bena »

ttyprintk wrote: post #128
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at California Prop 16 for a concrete example. It was universally supported by left-wing groups, endorsed by the Chamber of Commerce broadly and by many of the state's biggest companies individually, passed the legislature with 75%, but failed at the ballot box with only a touch above 40% in favor. When policies left-wing groups favor are that much more popular among business and government leaders than among the…

I don’t know about that specific legislation. The effect you describe makes me think that business and government are, in fact, right leaning. When left-wing groups agree with right-leaning govt and business, perhaps the general public is a bit wary of bipartisan policies. An argument like: If it’s popular among partisans of both parties, then it must be particularly exploitative of the general public.

Prop 16 was a repeal of a previous amendment to the state constitution that effectively banned Affirmative Action in the state for public positions.

Basically, if Prop 16 passed, various public sector jobs would be able to consider race/sex/whatever when looking to hire.

That's technically a double-edged sword. As while it allows for things like Affirmative Action, it also allows for discrimination based on those attributes as well.

So I can see a perfectly reasonable reason while progressives would also be wary about passing Prop 16.

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Post by birdyrooster »

keiferski wrote: post #129
dylanblanchard wrote: post #120

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might you be thinking of Adolfo Mateo? https://www.youtube.com/user/SMOKERSOFCIGARSPIPES/videos

Yeah I think that was it! Thanks.

What the hell is he saying? Every video he mutters similar phrases as he exhales. Maybe he was speaking in code.
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