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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by coryrc »

bob33212 wrote: post #112
birken wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF is over 5x denser than Dallas, which is the densest major city in Texas. The problem with homelessness is people can't afford to live in homes. It is a lot easier to avoid homelessness when you have essentially endless space to build housing.

I certainly can't afford to live on Madison Ave in NYC. But instead of living in a tent on the street on Madison Ave, I live in a city that is much cheaper than NYC and I don't live in the most expensive part of town. Should NYC provide me housing if I start living in a tent on Madison Ave?

NYC actually does have a law where they are required to do just that:

https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/todays-read-behind-n...

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by ajmurmann »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #16
Moodles wrote: post #6

I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

NIMBYism is a scourge

It's puzzling to me that NIMBYism seems so common among people who identify as liberal. It's clearly just another way of kicking away the ladder and is inherently with the stated goals of liberalism. At least neo-liberals seems to have gotten this one 100% correct.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by croes »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #50
croes wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this reduce the number of homeless? This "socialist" values maybe the reason why SF attracts so many homeless but it's not the cause of their existence.

It can cause population centralization, which can actually make the problem harder to solve. Other parts of the country are more than willing to help

It makes the problem more visible otherwise the other parts of the country would deny there is a problem to be solved.

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Post by soulofmischief »

amptorn wrote: post #128
taylorlapeyre wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re imagining crime and homelessness, that’s not exactly what I mean by “weirdness” – those are problems that San Francisco needs to fix... and will probably always need to fix.

> will probably always need to fix. Quitter.

If I spent 40 hours a week fixing the same bug I'd be fired from my job.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by coryrc »

mdgrech23 wrote: post #140
hindsightbias wrote: post #31

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SF trolled tech and let them have the Tenderloin. It took all those bright folks a decade to figure it out.

Don't understand this comment? Did SF encourage tech companies to locate in the Tenderloin?

It's more sarcasm than not. He's saying it was never a desirable area but tech companies moved there anyway despite theoretically having the money to be nicer places.

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Post by mbgerring »

I’ve lived in San Francisco for about ten years and I’ve never been more excited about the future of this city. We have an incredible opportunity to build a city that works for everyone and not just a glorified dorm room complex for young tech workers. The next few years are looking very good!

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Post by chrisseaton »

ditonal wrote: post #138
ubertoop wrote: post #91

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Come on dude. People aren't talking about the "weird" or quirky aspects of SF. We're talking about fucking needles, and human feces in the street. Stop protecting this shit by labeling it as something other than human suffering and a public health disaster.

My friend lived in SF for 3 years, then left for a year. He called me to say, “dude what happened to SF? Apparently it’s all shit and needles now.” I had to explain to him that nothing has changed. He was just reading sensationalized media. I live in SF, I would like the city cleaned up, more accountability for taxes, more focus on tax payers over homeless. But at the same time, SF represents liberalism in the US so…

> and the problems are massively overblown

For all the places I have worked in and visited through my life, including poor countries in Africa, Europe, Russia, and places as extreme as Afghanistan, the only place I have ever seen someone openly defecate in the street is San Francisco. And I've seen it many times in San Francisco.

It's not overblown. Your reference points have been distorted. It's not normal. People don't do that in other cities.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by steverb »

Xcelerate wrote: post #60

We left the Bay Area to be closer to family. It was going to happen at some point, but the pandemic just accelerated the move. The Bay Area is still my favorite place though, so ironically I’m able to save up faster to buy a house there (for retirement) by not living there currently, assuming remote incomes don’t drop drastically after the pandemic. Anecdotally, at our apartment complex in Asheville, there are three…

Knoxville here, can anecdotally confirm an increase in the number of California plates I see around town.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by predictmktegirl »

Moodles wrote: post #6

I'm leaving San Francisco next month also. I just see no reason to continue living here. The weather is nice in California, but the city is so mismanaged it's a joke. The homelessness has been an issue for decades now and local politicians always talk about it, but what do they actually do to help? I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. I just find it so ironic that San Francisco is a bastion of liberalism…

We left about 9 months ago. I'm not going to pontificate and judge people. From our point of view, the policies seemed to be designed to incentivize us to leave, so we left. We'll miss SF, but we were never welcome.
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