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100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by simfree »

terrywang wrote: post #79

Paying A$90 (~70 USD) for broadband based on HFC to freestanding house, 100Mbps (downstream) / 40Mbps (upstream), hit by outages from time to time as ISPs are simply NBN resellers, which in turn is a wrapper on top of Telstra's infrastructure. Will be keen to see how Starlink rollout goes down-under.

Isn't Telstra just an NBN reseller at this point? IIRC that was why they were planning to start pushing cellular home internet, as they own their cellular assets outright, whereas NBN bought the wireline assets and charges them per customer.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by simfree »

TLightful wrote: post #65
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #55

While we're at it, let's prevent ISPs from disallowing us to run a business on our home internet. Why should it matter to them how we use our bits? Sell us on a support plan and higher uptime, sure, but there's no reason we should be disallowed from private enterprise because we're not "paying for a business account".

Wow, is that a thing in the US? Home of capitalism! Sorry to hear that.

Yep, ISP blacklist addresses as large enterprise businesses only, or Small/Medium Business only and do not permit residential internet installation even when the property is rezoned or has been converted to residential.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by benlivengood »

An interesting parallel is how much water/sewer, electricity, and natural gas connections cost. Cities have been providing these for centuries now and it's generally about $30-$50 base cost per month to connect to the utilities. This is for physical infrastructure requiring continual maintenance and treatment plants and movement of physical goods.

Internet service is almost static once installed; fiber lasts for decades (barring visits from backhoes) and the networking equipment can be fairly centralized and doesn't cost a lot to keep the lights on. It's insane that ISPs charge the rates that they do. Multi-mode SFPs are $50, switches are low thousands for enterprise grade, a couple long range 100G SFPs are another thousand. $50/month * 48 ports in a neighborhood pays that off pretty fast.

Fiber can't be any harder to install than fluid-filled pipes or electrical cables.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by supertrope »

nerbert wrote: post #130
filoleg wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems pretty condescending. I hope you realize that the US is not uniform as a single entity, because I live here, and I can also say "hi from the developed world", given I have at least 2 providers here willing to give me symmetrical 1000Mbps up/down for $50-70 with no data caps (and I have been using one of them for the past 2 years and couldn't be happier). But this is far from being the case everywhere in the US.

It's condescending but there's truth to it. Internet speed in the US is a symptom of a larger issue that the country has with incentives towards good governance, which is more often seen in poorer countries.

The purpose of a US utility is to maximize shareholder value.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by hnick »

terrywang wrote: post #79

Paying A$90 (~70 USD) for broadband based on HFC to freestanding house, 100Mbps (downstream) / 40Mbps (upstream), hit by outages from time to time as ISPs are simply NBN resellers, which in turn is a wrapper on top of Telstra's infrastructure. Will be keen to see how Starlink rollout goes down-under.

NBN has had an order of magnitude more outages in the last few years than ADSL2 ever had for me. Maybe it's limited to HFC, but I doubt it. One time I got an outage report for work being done, but the internet only went down when they left for the day and messed something up on their way out.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by supertrope »

everlost wrote: post #2

Strange how "broadband" and "high speed internet" can have a different meaning in various parts of the country. For ex: a 10 mbps dsl line is considered "high speed" in New Hampshire.

When broadband became a regulated term, those ISPs falling short of the low bar set by the US Government rebranded their product to HSI.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by morpheos137 »

I would say very few residential customers need more than 10Mbps upload.

For 100Mbps you could run about 50 Zooms simultaneously. Who does that?

Unless you are massively uploading (likely illegal content) who needs greater than 10Mbps upstream at home?

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by p1mrx »

canada2us wrote: post #20

Hopefully this will pass. For residential, Comcast only advertises download speed, leaving upload speed like 1996. Comcast has a bad reputation but there is only 1 ISP available to my address. No competition.

Comcast was around 1500/128 kbps in 1998, 6000/384 kbps in 2007, and I currently have 300/15 Mbps, so we've made some progress since 1996.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by Clubber »

lmilcin wrote: post #137

I live in Poland and I am BAFFLED at how bad internet in US, supposedly one of the most developed countries on Earth, is. I have commercial (ie high priority), 600Mbit/120Mbit broadband with extremely stable (under 15ms, over 99% of th time) round trip to most of the Poland, for equivalent of 20 USD per month. I know its not the same everywhere in Poland, but consider I also have three mobile internet plans. One of t…

I live in Poland and I am BAFFLED at how bad ________ in US.

You could replace that with a lot of things unfortunately. If you put "and expensive" at the end, it would probably be just as correct.

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