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That third-wave racism is mainstream. That there are large numbers of people who subscribe to the ten points that McWhorter lists.
Which of the ten are not mainstream? Surely you agree some are held by significant numbers of people. Take his #3 for example. You haven’t heard people claiming “Silence is violence?” While decrying the Karens’ inability to just listen?
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You obviously didn't read the article if you think it's a straw man. He quotes Ibrahim Kendi, funded by Jack Dorsey as an exemplar of the new faith. If Dorsey and Kendi aren't mainstream, just to start, I don't know what is. I'm so tired of getting gaslit about this. My opinion on neoracism is the reason I am posting with a throwaway. Thank you John Worter for helping to rebrand so-called "Antiracism" to what it real…
just to be clear here, if you can sum it up in one phrase, Racism is the assumption that some racea are inferior, and antiracism holds that race is a concept that has no place in reality!? If labeling it anti- then because it only needs mention when contradicting racism, but it can be an independent position held by anyone who simply disregards at least the name, or one of the various concepts attached. This has befu…
The problem is with using the word "Antiracist" as a label or name. There is a movement that tries to use the word as a name, but is a case of a wolf in sheep's clothing. This movement is attempting to rewrite history. To teach that, for example, Lincoln was evil, didn't do enough, and should be erased. This is despicable and destructive. McWhorter simply, rightly, calls them wolves.
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Which of the ten are not mainstream? Surely you agree some are held by significant numbers of people. Take his #3 for example. You haven’t heard people claiming “Silence is violence?” While decrying the Karens’ inability to just listen?
> You’d deny there are a significant number of people who believe three, for example? "Silence about racism is violence." Yes, I am highly skeptical that a significant number of people profess to believe this. It sounds like clear hyperbole to me.
CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-silence-on-social-media-w...
Houston Chronicle: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Speaking-up-ag...
Here is the Google scholar search, to show that the phrase is widespread, and not particularly used as hyperbole among scholars. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=“silence+is+viole...
So, beauty magazines, mainstream press, and the academy. What part of that is not widespread?
Ed: more, since this was only 1 for 4, in your mind. College administrators: https://www.naspa.org/blog/silence-is-violence-why-using-our...
Hockey players. https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/mark-fraser-racis...
Twin Cities teenagers, inspired by BLM protests: https://www.twincities.com/2020/07/22/roseville-teens-keep-m...
The editor of Governing Magazine. https://www.governing.com/now/A-Shattered-Complacency-When-S...
Sophie Turner, as seen in the Daily Mail. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8395851/Pregna...
What, exactly, is your quantum of proof here?
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Which of the ten are not mainstream? Surely you agree some are held by significant numbers of people. Take his #3 for example. You haven’t heard people claiming “Silence is violence?” While decrying the Karens’ inability to just listen?
> You’d deny there are a significant number of people who believe three, for example? "Silence about racism is violence." Yes, I am highly skeptical that a significant number of people profess to believe this. It sounds like clear hyperbole to me.
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In my reading of the article, (not sure if you've had the pleasure) McWharton was describing the caricature that is presented in pop culture. Yes, I find the savior complex condescending and dismissive of individual agency.
I got that but the problem is that caricature is only presented in some views of pop culture. The Obamas, Kamala Harris, Beyonce, Viola Davis, and Chadwick Boseman are pop culture. Anyone who chooses to present the pop culture caricature described by McWhorter is making a racially-guided editorial decision.
Casting the trend as a religion is rather the humanist thing to do of course so I'll just ignore that useless categorization Systemic racism is real, but if you're just looking at Twitter and headlines you'll never pierce the insight that its anonymous network of individual behaviors that, at scale, have real effects; this is no different than thinking about the economy, which we're perfectly comfortable with as a re…
1. Affirmative action
2. Minimum wage
3. Contract awards based on various mbe’s dbe’s or whatever else.
4. University college selection
Are these the things being discussed as systemic racism, where codified laws are in place as a system, if not, please point to where else it occurs.
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> You’d deny there are a significant number of people who believe three, for example? "Silence about racism is violence." Yes, I am highly skeptical that a significant number of people profess to believe this. It sounds like clear hyperbole to me.
Teen Vogue: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/non-black-people-speak-up-fo... CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-silence-on-social-media-w... Houston Chronicle: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Speaking-up-ag... Here is the Google scholar search, to show that the phrase is widespread, and not particularly used as hyperbole among scholars. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=“silence+is+vio…
The Houston Chronicle story does feature an interview with Cherry Steinwender, executive director of the Center for Healing Racism, explicitly endorsing this point of view. That is the first actual data point I have seen.
The Google Scholar search brings up a lot of articles containing the phrase "silence is violence" but a lot of them are red herrings having nothing to do with the matter at hand.
So that's one valid data point. Better than nothing, but still a long way from a self-evidently mainstream point of view as McWhorter claims.
It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…
I'll address the biggest names that have risen during this new movement. Kendi's and DiAngelo's books are written exactly as McWhorter puts it. Coates's is more heartfelt, but ends on an incredibly nihilistic note. Kendi and DiAngelo are the Beyonce and JayZ of the diversity training world. They are the ones moving indefensible goal posts.
The common reply to my claims is that Kendi and DeAngelo are media faces and that 'real' academics have more principled approaches. However, these same academics fall in line when the media faces conjure a mob movement without a word of dissent. Any critics are immediately labelled as conservative/racist and bigots. Part of the reason John can say the things he can, is because he is a black academic and has established a long history of goodwill towards the black community in the US. Else, he would have been character assassinated twice over.
> anyone who says that we have, particularly when they say it in such a condescending way, is part of the problem.
Aren't you strawmanning John now? He never claims that racism is over. He has also seen every institution cover in fear towards this new prescriptive dogma without so much as whimper. He gets talked down to and is increasingly put under greater scrutiny than his intellectual opposition. I find it entirely fair that his tone is colored with condescension.
It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…
His arguments read exactly the same as Clarence Thomas’ on race and African Americans - to paraphrase a recent biography “that life is too easy for them and we are coddling them”.
[1] https://www.pbs.org/show/created-equal-clarence-thomas-his-o...
I wish we could stop flagging posts like this. The discussion is thoughtful, and the topic is interesting.
Flagging is the digital equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum when the balance of your echo chamber has been disturbed.