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Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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Some of the online stores especially the ones based in China don't actually check your prescription.

Do you have any recommendations?

get the best eye test you can, with a prescription. buy cheapo online chinese. zenni optical works fine for me, but with prices from 10 bucks, try several vendors and see which one you personally like.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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Some additional information here: https://www.kubotaholdings.co.jp/en/ir/docs/20201216_EN_eSpe... Assuming this device is actually legit (I'm skeptical...), it would need e.g. FDA approval to be used in the USA, correct?

There's an interesting paragraph in there: "myopic defocus is already in use in the US with a contact lens, “MiSight® 1 day” by CooperVision, which is U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved to slow the progression of myopia. This product, which uses multifocal contact lens technology, passively stimulates the entire peripheral retina with light myopically defocused by the non-central power of the contact le…

> leverages nanotechnology

What's the "nanotechnology" they are using, and how would that relate to the device's function?

I'll see if I can find blockchain and machine learning somewhere in there.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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I don’t know whether you know, but +3.25 isn’t near-sightedness (myopia), but far-sightedness (hyperopia) or presbyopia (Wikipedia: “insufficiency of accommodation associated with the aging of the eye that results in progressively worsening ability to focus clearly on close objects”) I don’t know whether you know, but +3.25 isn’t near-sightedness (myopia), but far-sightedness (hyperopia) or presbyopia (insufficiency…

I didn't say that it was myopia did I? I specifically gave the glasses strength with the sign to indicate the kind of correction my eyes needed, and yes, it is far-sightedness, what else could it be with that particular prescription? Hence my need to wear them when working in the shop, I'm chance less without them doing any closer or detailed work. The point was: once you start wearing glasses it accelerates the slid…

Do you use these for reading books/screens or also for distance vision? If only for reading, then what you are describing sounds like presbyopia, which is different from far-sightedness. Your accommodation changing as you age is a normal process and doesn't have anything to do with sliding myopia/hyperopia.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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It's making a mountain out of a molehill. Yes, there's some evidence that very rigorous, regular eye exercises can help delay or even slightly reverse myopia. Slightly. If you give yourself a headache for like an hour a day, every day. And the effect goes away when you stop exercising. This is something that has been studied pretty extensively. If it was actually a cure, it'd have been well-proven by now, and we'd al…

> If it was actually a cure, it'd have been well-proven by now, and we'd all be doing it. You could say that for everything for which there was no treatment before and for which the problem is now considered solved with modern practice.

I think the argument is that this isn't some unknown new untested discovery but instead something well known and constantly studied with disappointing results.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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Ask yourself, how much brighter is it outside than inside (assuming a sunny day vs a brightly lit office)? Before looking into this, I would have guessed 2X or 3X, but would you believe it's actually over 100X! I bet most people's guess would also be off by 1 or 2 orders of magnitude. Even outdoors in the shade, it is over 50X brighter than indoors. (For specific numbers and comparisons, see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih…

I've read this study a while ago, and I think it helped me correct my son's myopia.

When my 5yo kid's eye check came back with "he'll need glasses next year", we started strict "hour+ outside play daily" policy. At his next checkup, he had normal vision. Dr was surprised.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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Ask yourself, how much brighter is it outside than inside (assuming a sunny day vs a brightly lit office)? Before looking into this, I would have guessed 2X or 3X, but would you believe it's actually over 100X! I bet most people's guess would also be off by 1 or 2 orders of magnitude. Even outdoors in the shade, it is over 50X brighter than indoors. (For specific numbers and comparisons, see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih…

> I bring this up because one of the largest factors in myopia development appears to be outdoor light exposure in childhood.

I used to live almost on the equator. Before adolescence, I would spent most of my time outdoors. Very stable weather so windows were open most of the day (and night). There was often direct sunlight even indoors. We would go to the beach every weekend. I ended up with -5.00 and -5.25

Maybe this would decrease the prevalence, if you are looking at the entire population. But it's not like you, as an individual, will be immune if you just stay outside.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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A day or two if you're lucky. If you happen to have corneas like mine, you'll get about 9 hours before suffering a fast decline: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21546732 No lasting bad effects for me, at least. I'm still glad I tried it.

Isn't there a period of time during this decline where you can't wear your normal corrective lenses because they are too strong? That sounds horrible.

That's correct, at least in my experience. I could have worked around the every-afternoon decline by carrying a number of glasses in -1.00 to -6.00 and switching among them as needed, or by wearing the ortho-k lenses, which I could tolerate with my eyes closed while I slept, but would have been intolerable while performing any normal activities. Either way, that completely negated my goal of being able to live corrective lens-free during my waking hours.

The other thing that really bugged me was the fact that these lenses could not correct my vision across my entire dilated pupil, and that issue also got worse as the day went on. That resulted in terrible halos around light sources in high contrast situations, such as at night when driving home from work.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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It does seem like a convenient "just-so" anecdote, and I've never experienced or heard of myopia just going away like that, but I also don't think it sounds completely implausible.

I'd imagine it's also less noticeable in scenarios when you don't need to read smaller letters from a distance as much (ie: when you are playing outside rather than sitting in class).

Also in bright light your pupils are constricted so depth of field is greater. In dim light your pupils are dialated and depth of field is shallower. Same principle as a camera lens f-stop.

So the perception that you see more clearly in bright outdoor conditions could be true.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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post #145

Ask yourself, how much brighter is it outside than inside (assuming a sunny day vs a brightly lit office)? Before looking into this, I would have guessed 2X or 3X, but would you believe it's actually over 100X! I bet most people's guess would also be off by 1 or 2 orders of magnitude. Even outdoors in the shade, it is over 50X brighter than indoors. (For specific numbers and comparisons, see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih…

I've read this study a while ago, and I think it helped me correct my son's myopia. When my 5yo kid's eye check came back with "he'll need glasses next year", we started strict "hour+ outside play daily" policy. At his next checkup, he had normal vision. Dr was surprised.

I believe that's still under active research. If this is a factor, my money is more on "your eyes will be focusing more at infinity" rather then low light levels.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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This will absolutely not, under any circumstances, "correct" myopia. You can only slow its progression, with techniques like:

- Pupil dilating eye drops

- Wearing corrective lenses as little as possible

- Wearing glasses with fogged edges/rims

- Reducing the time you hold objects close to your face

The major factor behind all of this is to reduce the over focusing of light on your retina and fovea. The more light that focuses back there, the more your eye is told to grow longer.

Every parent should know this and how it works. And so should your ophthalmologist, most of which are clueless.

You can't, in any way, undo this growth once it's happened. This is terrible reporting.

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