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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by txru »

Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

The claim that not a single person had a Parler account is trivially refutable.

https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832/pho...

If he didn't bother to look at a famous person like the "QAnon Shaman", why does the rest of this claim stand to scrutiny?

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by yellowpencil »

meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

> antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy

Almost zero chance this happens, imo. Big tech spent _heavily_ on Democrats (98% of contributions [0]) and the Democrats have complete control for the next 4 years.

an awfully prescient allocation of funds.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/02/tech-billionaire-2020-electi...

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by whymauri »

Miner49er wrote: post #108
burke wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove. Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them. EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

> Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. They claim they are for free speech, but they aren't even close. They remove all kinds of things, just not enough of the things that Amazon wanted. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200630/23525844821/parle...

No 'obscene usernames' is actually hilarious to me. The bastion of free speech won't even allow users to choose their own handles.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by wyldfire »

chrisco255 wrote: post #48
hctaw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how is it indicative of collusion? Do you have evidence that they communicated with each other? If anything, the domino-like behavior (Google Play -> Apple ultimatum, AWS pulling support) suggests no one colluded about anything.

Did you watch the most recent Zuckerberg testimony in Congress? There, Senator Hawley grilled Zuckerberg about a communication platform, SENTRA, in which Twitter, Google, Facebook, absolutely are known to collaborate on who to ban and what to ban. He shows a screenshot in the hearing to Zuckerberg, and Mark is caught weaseling in his chair about it. That is collusion. https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-gril…

I hardly think Hawley is a model of a trustworthy source these days.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by shakezula »

Miner49er wrote: post #108
burke wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove. Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them. EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

> Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. They claim they are for free speech, but they aren't even close. They remove all kinds of things, just not enough of the things that Amazon wanted. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200630/23525844821/parle...

Yeah, the idea that Parler was some free-speech bastion is nonsense. They were explicit and judicious with their use of the ban hammer to remove wrongthink from their platform - they just didn't consider the crazy and often extremely violent threats on their platform as wrongthink.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by reddog »

throwaway4good wrote: post #74

Who Amazon does business with is their own decision. But terminating Parler with such short notice that they had no chance of moving to an alternative without major disruption of their business. Well. That is deliberate destruction. Without knowing anything about US civil law, I would expect Parler to have a strong case.

The optics are certainly bad. It looks like the Big Tech Cartel colluded to destroy one of their members closest competitors.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by newfeatureok »

klyrs wrote: post #102
newfeatureok wrote: post #8

Out of curiosity how much time for remediation is generally allowed before service is pulled? Surely the precedent is not "you do something bad and we ban you immediately "? In FTA it says AWS generally gives 30 days per their contract with Parler, but I mean in general, if there is a general precedent. Even if Parler wanted to do the right thing here, they were pretty much banned everywhere immediately.

For hosting illegal content, their TOS says service may be terminated 2 days after notice. That's what happened.

Ah, interesting. Thanks for the information.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by r00fus »

demygale wrote: post #64

Parler has a moderation policy and they don’t apply it. Content that promotes illegal activity is not protected free speech and is also prohibited by Parler’s policies. They selectively applied that moderation after they became popular with MAGA. Also, 4chan exists why can’t Parler find a host?

Was 4chan actually found to be culpable in organizing an illegal activity, or was that 8chan?

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Post by mhh__ »

demygale wrote: post #64

Parler has a moderation policy and they don’t apply it. Content that promotes illegal activity is not protected free speech and is also prohibited by Parler’s policies. They selectively applied that moderation after they became popular with MAGA. Also, 4chan exists why can’t Parler find a host?

4chan is regularly censored and banned (not sure about hosting specifically, I only browse maybe once a month), and threads aren't available forever. It's a different kettle of fish to running a social network - you'd struggle to organise much of anything like this on 4chan.
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