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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by _alex_ »

minimuffins wrote: post #81
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

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The first amendment protects you from the government: you can't be prosecuted for things you say (then there are some case-law carve outs for inciting violence, etc).

The first amendment does not prevent businesses from terminating a relationship.

edit: my opinions are my views and dont represent anyone elses

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by narcissismo »

abarringer wrote: post #78
mozillalives wrote: post #44

All I’m going to say is that I’m all for free speech and setting fair rules for everyone to play by (ie regulation), but looking at the examples provided in the buzzfeed articles this is beyond simple free speech. I hear a lot of people saying this is just another example of the left trying to shut down free speech but there are clear threats being made on the platform. If Parler doesn’t want to do any content regula…

oh com'n. As if twitter doesn't allow people to post stupid junk? Multiple accounts that posted "Kill all white women" "Today seems like a good day for another reminder that all republicans deserve to die" are still active along with plenty of other insane things. You can cherry pick bad stuff from any social media site.

It seems like you can see it all now, rather than having to cherry pick.

https://cybernews.com/news/70tb-of-parler-users-messages-vid...

I'd be interested in seeing the hate ratio between 70TB of that site's posts versus an equivalent volume of Twitter traffic.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by ketamine__ »

tantalor wrote: post #95
abarringer wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh com'n. As if twitter doesn't allow people to post stupid junk? Multiple accounts that posted "Kill all white women" "Today seems like a good day for another reminder that all republicans deserve to die" are still active along with plenty of other insane things. You can cherry pick bad stuff from any social media site.

The difference is some sites (Twitter) have policy and infrastructure for moderating spam/abuse, and some (Parler) do not.

According to Parler's CEO the easiest way to get banned is by posting "fuck you" or uploading pictures of poop. That is what he is focused on...

Source is Kara Swisher's interview with John Matze.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by analog31 »

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #131

This is troubling. I understand the 1st amendment argument, but isn't this more an anti-trust case? If a baker won't bake you a cake because you're gay there are dozens of other bakeries nearby that will, regardless of the merits or lackthereof of choosing not to bake a cake in that situation. If your service provider kicks you off their platform they've destroyed your entire business. I understand if they won't allo…

This is actually a widespread and common business situation. I used to work for a company that made a specialized component, and a customer called us up one day and said: "We have to knock 1 cent off the cost of your component, or WalMart will drop our brand from all of their stores." More broadly, a lot of businesses are at the mercy of a single big customer or supplier. Texas Instruments could discontinue the chip that I use in my product, sending my side business into a tailspin. I had to buy a lifetime supply of another part when it was slated for obsolescence.

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Post by cabalamat »

hackyhacky wrote: post #115
vorpalhex wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Actually, Parler has been use to literally plan an overthrow of the US government. That's why it's banned. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US. Too often, you can't see the rise of authoritarianism…

> Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has

The USA isn't really a democracy. For it to be democratic it would have to use more democratic voting systems than FPTP and the electoral college.

It's an oligarchy, but by the ruling class, which includes the big tech companies.

> Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US.

Unless it's one where they are in charge.

It's self-evidently impossible for Trump and the red tribe to overthrow the US system of government, they simply don't have control of enough of the levers of power.

It would be a lot easier for Biden/Harris and the blue tribe to do so, as they control a lot more of the levers of power (e.g. academia, journalism, big tech).

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by ryan93 »

hackyhacky wrote: post #118
derision wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about calling for the eradication of Jews? https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784 Twitter doesn't seem to have any issue with this content

Twitter let Trump spew his garbage right up until the point that it led to an armed insurrection. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. As Twitter said, it's not just the content, but the context as well. When Iranian soldiers invade the US Capitol, I'm sure they'll face a Twitter ban as well.

The mob in the capital had zero chance of dismantling democracy. khamenei has real power.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by bArray »

chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

> Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened

> to have some disgusting content on it.

You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter.

> And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes"

> and social media do not mix.

As with all free speech, it had legal limits, such as threats of violence. We can argue about how effective the moderation system was in Parler, but I know for a fact that they repeatedly removed material that broke the law.

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Post by mech422 »

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #131

This is troubling. I understand the 1st amendment argument, but isn't this more an anti-trust case? If a baker won't bake you a cake because you're gay there are dozens of other bakeries nearby that will, regardless of the merits or lackthereof of choosing not to bake a cake in that situation. If your service provider kicks you off their platform they've destroyed your entire business. I understand if they won't allo…

And if all the bakers in town refuse to bake you a cake, should you be able to force one to?

Seriously, when there are dozens of options and none of them want your business, shouldn't that give you pause?

If all the insurance agencies refuse to insure your ship because they think it will sink, wouldn't it be prudent to double check your blueprints/construction ?

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #132
domano wrote: post #68

I am really happy with the way Hackernews works and the way moderation works here. Thank you! I do not know if there would be a possibility to scale it for a real social network tho.

It’s more about social norms than moderation, and frankly things have gotten worse not better. I remember when most posts that posited any “fact” were cited with references, and often any lack of sources was responded with a request for supporting documentation. HN is slowly becoming a brainier alt-Reddit with every snide quip or uncited statement of opinion masquerading as fact.

This has been my experience as well, and I've been browsing HN since at least 2009. Downvotes/flagging are used much more heavily to express political disagreement as well now (which biases what gets downvoted due to the left-leaning bias in tech) and I think there is more politics in general (but that is true of media more broadly).
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