PeerTube v3 • Hacker News Board

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by posguy » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:05 AM UTC

nmfisher wrote: post #59

posguy wrote: post #55

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Nothing stops the Trump org from doing what InfoWarz does and sign up with Akamai and Lumen/Centurylink/Level 3 for their server hosting and CDN.

Until they ban them too.

The merged entity known as Centurylink/Lumen/Level 3 is a common carrier unlike Twitter, Facebook, etc, they have no need to cease serving anyone and would lose their status as a common carrier if they were to start moderating the content of the data that clients move over their pipes.

If served with an injunction by a court, or if the user failed to pay their bills, those are the only cases in which you would see them stop serving a client.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by etchalon » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:06 AM UTC

rzz3 wrote: post #132

daveleebbc wrote: post #119

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Give me an example of a video that was removed for "critcizing lockdowns" -- and I can guarantee the reason isn't the criticism, but the manner in which it is somehow "backed up" by disinformation about Covid. Playing into this idea that somehow criticism isn't allowed is disingenuous.

> Give me an example of a video that was removed for "critcizing lockdowns" I’m sure you realize how difficult this would be to respond to, if such videos were in fact deleted. Nonetheless, https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/youtube-facebook-spli...

That video was not removed for criticizing lockdowns. It was removed because it was misinformation, pseudoscience and conspiracy nonsense.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:10 AM UTC

tastyfreeze wrote: post #116

jrnichols wrote: post #70

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> but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network If your main goal is "How can I make money?" then maybe. And that's one of the huge reasons that YouTube is the mess that it is. For the rest of us, this is not important at all. In fact, I am happy that there is no advertiser network whatsoever. if I put something on the web, I do not do it because I expect compensation. I am not alone in this s…

Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content. Advertising isn't the only solution but it does allow viewers to watch without paying. PeerTube needs content creators to get on board. Having options for monetizing content could encourage creators to use PeerTube.

That might have been a problem a few years ago, but by now many content creators are not solely relying on advertising money (which itself was prompted by YouTube fucking up).

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:12 AM UTC

papaf wrote: post #130

tastyfreeze wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content. Advertising isn't the only solution but it does allow viewers to watch without paying. PeerTube needs content creators to get on board. Having options for monetizing content could encourage creators to use PeerTube.

Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content. Most videos are made by professionals? That's not my experience.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if most video views were made on content whose creators are at least trying to make a living out of it.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by etchalon » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:13 AM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #107

cortesoft wrote: post #76

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Sure, but no one has actually tried to kill all men. They didn't do this latest action until after people were actually killed by the violence incited.

That is giving "kill all men" a metaphorical reading. That is a fair reading, it probably isn't actually a call to violence, they just feel frustrated about something. The issue is that a fair reading is not being applied evenly. Twitter interprets "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th" [0] as a call to violence. That isn't even close to a fair metaphorical reading,…

The post made clear that it wasn't about the tweet itself, but the broader context and how the tweet was being interpreted by communities who sought to do harm.

You can argue that's not fair to Trump, and don't pretend his accounts were banned for the literal meaning of the words, when the post you linked to makes clear the thinking behind the decision.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by qznc » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

Imnimo wrote: post #112

I spent like 20 minutes trying to find something I would legitimately want to watch on PeerTube and came up empty. I can't tell if it's because PeerTube just happens to have a different type of content than what I like to watch, or because I don't understand how to make the best use of the search functionality, or if the search functionality is just bad. Regardless, it's a real tough sell for me to replace YouTube wi…

It would be great if https://media.ccc.de/ would switch to PeerTube but they have their own stack. Still, conference videos are one way to resolve the chicken egg problem.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #51

qwantim1 wrote: post #44

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I don’t agree. It’s an important thing, not the important thing. This is a great alternative to sharing large video files with others by having someone else just watch what they want of it, if you want to ensure it’s more permanent than- let’s say- Google Music. If the fear is that an evil Google competitor will come along that will do more damage- this wouldn’t enable that. That would take a serious amount of fundin…

That's kind of an issue then - YouTube is only partly (probably a single-digit-percent given they dropped the direct share feature[0]) about sharing videos with friends - most people stick around for the recommendations, ie. the endless stream of interesting/intriguing/funny content. Most of that content currently dominating YT (at least, at the quantity that it's produced) is only possible due to these creators maki…

You're forgetting about donations / patronage, which everyone can do and I'm willing to bet has been growing in share for the past years.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by moreati » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

Nic0 wrote: post #135

Framasoft who is behind this is famous in french opensource community for almost two decade. I guess it's unknown outside France?

Probably. I've also been in Open Source around 20 years, UK based. I don't recall hearing about Framasoft before.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:31 AM UTC

tastyfreeze wrote: post #116

jrnichols wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network If your main goal is "How can I make money?" then maybe. And that's one of the huge reasons that YouTube is the mess that it is. For the rest of us, this is not important at all. In fact, I am happy that there is no advertiser network whatsoever. if I put something on the web, I do not do it because I expect compensation. I am not alone in this s…

Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content. Advertising isn't the only solution but it does allow viewers to watch without paying. PeerTube needs content creators to get on board. Having options for monetizing content could encourage creators to use PeerTube.

> Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content.

That's the problem right there. "Content creators". Protein factories churning out videos for money.

Not every platform needs "content creators" - sometimes people with interesting things to share are enough, and these tend to use side revenue to fund their sharing.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by berkes » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:33 AM UTC

riffic wrote: post #60

You can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though. edit: one of my favorite PeerTube…

> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. > > in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point,

Why do so many people insist on Growth and Largest, as metrics for 'success'?

My local pub is a success. They are not worlds' largest pub. My Mom and Granny don't go there. They don't have parties with millions of people crammed in the place. Etc.

Why can't Linux be called 'a success', the very moment that it helps one person? Why don't we call Mastodon or Peertube a success the very moment a tiny group of people uses and likes it? Why do we insist that Peertube is only successful when my mom and my Granny use it? Why do we insist on huge market shares to call open source successful?